: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:07 pm  

stormingbronco wrote:

....so what happened to that good old 'offence' called the 'FLOP'!!

it's being done differently now. Second or third tackler arrives as the tacled player goes down, then puts his hands on the 1st tackler, then kneels on the ground as against droping on the tackled player.......cutre, but still ban g out of order, If a 6 year fan can see it, surely out professional refs can....oh, hang on,,,,,

: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:31 pm  

I don't think we should be accusing anyone of laying on...

Re: Holding down : Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:27 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Is there more holding/slowing down creeping into our game? I thought Hull did it on Sat, although not as much as Wigan and Hudds.

Teams seem to be getting 2 in the tackle and then a third is joining and laying on, slowing the PTB down.

Just a thought I wondered if others have noticed this or its just me!!

Wigan were particularly culpable four weeks ago and I feel it ultimately won them the match. Warrington did it too, but were so poor on the day it didn't make much difference. I didn't notice Cas or Hull using this tactic; if Huddrsfield did it didn't matter as they were far better than us on the day in any case.

: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:33 pm  

thought Hull were ok, but Wigan were at it the whole game. They should've been wearing swimming trunks, it's was like WWE. Hudds should be experts at the wrestle with Mr Crabtree's heritage.
EASY EASY EASY

: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:56 pm  

Pedrolino wrote:

thought Hull were ok, but Wigan were at it the whole game. They should've been wearing swimming trunks, it's was like WWE. Hudds should be experts at the wrestle with Mr Crabtree's heritage.
EASY EASY EASY

Surely you mean wrestling trunks?!

: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:44 pm  

stormingbronco wrote:

....so what happened to that good old 'offence' called the 'FLOP'!!
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I thought you were the king of league knowledge at the stoop? While the rest of us need a league education.

A third man in after initial contact isnt a flop.

A flop is a player jumping on a player once the player is deemed to be held.

: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:32 am  

Big Graeme wrote:

I don't think we should be accusing anyone of laying on...

Indeed, given that any coach of any "lower" team will employ whatever tactics he can to slow down the better, faster team, we should take it as a compliment

: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:37 am  

I've not really noticed it to be honest. We've certainly become more disciplined in this regard than we were under TR but I've not really noticed either Wigan, Warrington or Hull being overly persistent.

: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:49 am  

I certainly noticed it against Wigan and even Wire (but i suppose they were just desperate), and it was also present against Hull, but the conditions could offer some excuse in this case. In actual fact it's not just holding down it's 'turtling' where the player is turned on their back once tackled.

I've been trying to see if we're doing it too and would have to say we're not. In fact we're jumping off probably a little too soon - presumably scared of the refs and how we got done last season. Reminds me of England in the World Cup, playing to a different set of rules.

In any case it won't come to anyone's attention but ours until either Saints, Wigan, Leeds or Wire complain about it so in the meantime let's just try gently reminding the referee of the rules whenever it occurs in our games.

: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:11 am  

I've not noticed too much but I have been increasingly frustrated at the officials refusal to penalise markers for not being square