: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:32 pm  

I think we can put some blame for the low crowd on TV. Both RU internatioanls were on and we were on Sky. It always causes a reduction in bums on seats when we're on sky. I hold my hand up here - 480 mile round trip or feet up on the sofa is no contest this weather!

And I think you'll find that our fixture with t'pies last year coincided with a kids tournament which our club organised, bringing in many schoolkids and hangers-on. it was also at a better time of year, weatherwise.
it's only the second game of a long season - come on faint-hearts be positive!!

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:47 am  

daftdad wrote:

Moving to only one stand was a big mistake and will impact on those who have attended the Stoop last year. How many season ticket holders did not renew due to moving to the east stand, or for that matter, how many did not renew at all?

I know that many a debate has been had with regard closure of the Lexus which I believe was to do with TV. But last night on the big screen there was a number of shots of the empty lexus stand and the two ends. Result, empty looking ground.

The view in the East stand from the lower rows is poor, and worse, sitting in AH section and the Jesters there is the awful smell of fat frying and diesel fumes. Not good for your health over the duration of a game. Would I go again if I had to sit in that area? No, not if it was my first game last night and deciding whether to return for a latter game. I would be looking for other more suitable areas to sit but what is the choice for the walk up last minute punter?

Set against this is last week, when there both lexus and East stands were open and more choice to sit. I would go further and suggest last week was was a free for all and you could sit anywhere you liked regardless of which ticket had been bought. I had a ticket for the East stand took one look and moved to the Lexus (along with dozens of others). Result more choice, could sit with mates, enjoyed the game, come back next week.

Over the two weeks the match experience, with regards to seating for the walk up punter was poor, next week watch the telly.

Can someone explain to me why hasn't anyone jumped on daftdad's back with regards to this post? This is the type of post that people want censored on here. Spot on, but not what people want to read.

Disgraceful crowd (and no, I wasn't there), only saw second half which was disappointing and 2 points thrown away. No cutting edge, no direction, only thing that I think is going well are the forwards at the moment.

I can happily say I would rather have our pack than the shambles that Leeds put out tonight.

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:59 am  

Prince of Denmark wrote:

Frankly I barely head the Wigan support last night (I was itting withing=n about three seats of the halfway line) and that's the smallest number of Wigan fans I've ever seen at one of our home games against you. You had about a quarter of those in the main stand at best, and those that were there never made a squeak except when you were in front.

Alex BP's blinkered posts are generally very embarrassing and should be ignored

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:41 am  

LISTER

Are you this abrupt and rude in the Student Union?

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:49 am  

Dave Lister wrote:

Alex BP's blinkered posts are generally very embarrassing and should be ignored

Way to lose/ignore the argument.

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:52 am  

A couple of points to all who are obviously disappointed:

1) if Randell had not thrown the pass for the interception and we had gone on to win would you all have jumpoed on here with the usual negatives - I think not! It would have been brilliant this and brilliant that etc.

Five miuntes earlier Randell put int he 40 - 20 that led to the try to take us in to the lead - you of short memories.

But ulitmately we throw it away.


2) less than 4000 crowd is very disappointing, but those spouting a lack of atmosphere must have to much ear wax. My wife, daughter and I sit in the top row of block AH and we thought the flags and atmosphere pretty good - the singing from L&L certainly drifted down the south end of the stand and many joined in.

Nobody seems to have mentioned the flags? Will you be bringing them to the next home game, those who waved them so boldly as we ran in to the lead and then got back on front?


Hopefully the club keep putting the out. Why not give the L&L section some extra large flags?

3) the person moaning about the chip fat needs to get a life. Their just fishing for a reason not to come in the future!

4) ultimately it was a good game between two pretty equally matched sides. Both packs cancelled each other out such was the commitment on both sides, though I would say ours marginly edged it (as for once we contained Palli.. a fat bucket or however it is spelt). As both packs struggled to get on top it meant the half backs on both sides struggled to set a pattern. Orr was certainly the pick of both sides halves. Dorn was as "missing" as Tim "probably paid far more" Smith.


5) Robinson showed up defensively but certainly didn't do much wth ball in hand, and I didn't see any lines of running aka Lee Hopkins. On the other hand Clubb - magnificant in the second row. I'd say that is his long term position - get him running out wide from deep on to the ball. Use Robinson / Williamson to teach him how to defend as a second row - to go with the raw power of his tackling and there is a regular international of the future. Clubb and Hock of Wigan showed up well. (I have a secret longing for Hock to play for us, some of his running and all action style would be great for us)



6) LMS again showed up well and gave Fielden a good run about. Keep it up LMS. His try showed good forward strength and awareness.


7) Ref - other then missing the double movement for Baileys try had a good game. Looking ahead it is good we finally supporting other aspects of the French game.

Overall disappointed we lost, we should have won. The game was a good and evenly matched - so much better than a 60 point drubbing (LEEDS - SKY , say no more)

9) I actually thought a full East Stand worked. Had we had a crowd like last season (circa 8000) then three sides of the ground would have been full - AND THAT WOULD HAVE LOOKED VERY GOOD.

The up shot though was the crowd was down 50% - MARKETING DEPARTMENT YOU MUST DO BETTER!!!!!!

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:01 am  

retirethename wrote:

1) if Randell had not thrown the pass for the interception and we had gone on to win would you all have jumpoed on here with the usual negatives - I think not! It would have been brilliant this and brilliant that etc.

Five miuntes earlier Randell put int he 40 - 20 that led to the try to take us in to the lead - you of short memories.

well done for not reading any of the previous posts in this thread.

No-one's got on Randall's back - most of us have acknowledged he was our best player up until his brain fart. But it still probably cost us the game - should we forget about that then?

I actually thought a full East Stand worked. Had we had a crowd like last season (circa 8000) then three sides of the ground would have been full - AND THAT WOULD HAVE LOOKED VERY GOOD.

The up shot though was the crowd was down 50% - MARKETING DEPARTMENT YOU MUST DO BETTER!!!!!!

But we didn't have the crowd like last season. So it didn't work.

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:16 am  

Paddock Punter wrote:

And this from a bloke who wasn't there! I think you will find that there was a good marketing initiative for this game - ST holders able to bring 4 people @ £10 each. Bought 8 adults and 2 kids with me.

Still how many pints does that make it now GF (although I have to say I thought there were more than 4K there yesterday)

OK...I wsn't there. Sometimes I have to tow the line with the missus and as I was at an engagement bash for US, I might have been missed. Don't worry, once the second ring is on her finger, things will change (please don't tell her I said that )
The point is, anything under 4,000 is unacceptable. Last year we had 8,000 and yes that was with 2,000 odd ankle biters given addmission but if Wigan brought their usual 1,000+, where have the 2,000 others from last year gone
Pi55 poor attitude to marketing at the club. As has been mentioned before, a real "field of dreams" attitude has been in place since I started watching the club and guess what.....YOU BUILT IT AND THEY AREN'T COMING!
As for the pints, I believe I am 2 down and might have to start laying off bets to insure I don't give you alcoholic poisoning by week 6

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:16 am  

The Penguin wrote:

well done for not reading any of the previous posts in this thread.

Ar$e. I could have finished that word off but I won't.

No-one's got on Randall's back - most of us have acknowledged he was our best player up until his brain fart. But it still probably cost us the game - should we forget about that then?

I never said anyone had got on his back - I was just trying to point out the world doesn't come to end because we lost a bl**dy game of rugby. I was using what is pretty much agreed as the turning point of the game to point out how today's forum could have been so different. How many would have been on bemoaning seating, chip fat and all manner of other things if we had WON!


But we didn't have the crowd like last season. So it didn't work.

Stand arrangements have nothing to do with bums on seats - lack of marketing and awareness does. Were the club fails time and again!



Take a minute and think about it ... mum and dad and little Jonny are deciding to go and watch a game.

"shall we go and see Quins RL this Saturday"

"No, I don't think we should go love", ...

"why not?"...

"we can only sit in the East Stand or maybe south if it is a bit crowded"...

"yeh, good point. I'd hate to see us loose and have to sit in the East Stand as well."

"Jonny we are not going today, so get your X-Box RU 6 Nations game out, put on your Chelsea shirt and mum's coming with the pizza." ...

"Cheers dad, I never liked the East Stand spoils the game."


OR MAYBE IT GOES MORE LIKE THIS....


"Are Quins RL playing at the Stoop this week love?"

"No idea I haven't seen anything is a single paper around London"

"OK then, shall I just put a pizza in the oven and we can watch Ireland v England"


OR MAYBE IT GOES LIKE THIS...

"Is there still a Rugby League Team in London love?"

"No idea I haven't seen anything is a single paper around London for ages"

"OK then, shall I just put a pizza in the oven and we can watch Ireland v England"


You lot of WUM's need to get in the real world - stand arrangements my ar$e.

Poor marketing thats why there are not many bums on seats, and a economic recession that probably restricted Wigans travelling support.


One night in Feb. does not a summer or season make.

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:40 am  

1) if Randell had not thrown the pass for the interception and we had gone on to win would you all have jumpoed on here with the usual negatives - I think not! It would have been brilliant this and brilliant that etc.

The bottom line is he did throw the pass and singlehandedly lost us the game. Dont ignore that fact. He did have a good game but lost us the game equally.

The other thing is we have not learned lessons from previous mistakes similar to this.

Why pass the ball at all. 5 mins to go why not 5 drives and a kick, defend in their half, make them make the mistake.

Chad is a great player but made a huge mistake. I also blame the coaching staff. They should have a close out game plan that comes into play if we are winning by any margin towards the end of a game. Teams have game plans to drive the ball up from kick offs............ closing a game out is a vital component of a game strategy