Is Listy an Alien : Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:38 pm  

The truth is out there

Re: Is Listy an Alien : Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:36 pm  

Windy one wrote:

The truth is out there

... and like most things super natural he remains a mystery. It's a mystery to me why he bothers to follow RL and Quins for all his mostly (but not all) negative comment (sorry realistic views).

Still I am sure his mum and dad love him. Even if most of us just manage to tolerate him.


I await his response to the above. Hugs all round Listy.

Re: Is Listy an Alien : Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:44 pm  

retirethename wrote:

... and like most things super natural he remains a mystery. It's a mystery to me why he bothers to follow RL and Quins for all his mostly (but not all) negative comment (sorry realistic views).

Still I am sure his mum and dad love him. Even if most of us just manage to tolerate him.


I await his response to the above. Hugs all round Listy.

I've followed the club since 1996. There have been times of glory, hope and some brilliant rugby. The state of the club now, in many important aspects, is dire, and there are many concerns that need to be addressed or else in 3 years time we will be no more. Yes, we have an excellent stadium and the Harlequins brand is a huge positive but much, much more needs to be done. The squad for next season is the worst that I have seen since I started following the club, and I am worried. Come 3 years time there may not be any point in hoping or believing. I don't see how you can dispute any of that.

Re: Is Listy an Alien : Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:56 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

I've followed the club since 1996. There have been times of glory, hope and some brilliant rugby. The state of the club now, in many important aspects, is dire, and there are many concerns that need to be addressed or else in 3 years time we will be no more. Yes, we have an excellent stadium and the Harlequins brand is a huge positive but much, much more needs to be done. The squad for next season is the worst that I have seen since I started following the club, and I am worried. Come 3 years time there may not be any point in hoping or believing. I don't see how you can dispute any of that.

.... because without hope we cannot dream of greater things, we cannot effect change. Who would have thought 40 years ago America, the GREAT US of A would have a black President elect? But it has happened by coloured people remaining positive and fighting the fight through positive action, not sitting around and posting moaning messages.


You really have to learn to channel such negatives in to positives. I know you mean as well as I and others, you just go about it the wrong way. As you get older and wiser you will start to realise that change is never progressed through a negative approach - that just holds everything back. By trying to dream about the positives helps to create a vibe that flashes from person to person, and breads a winning culture.

Just ask your average American how the feel this week about their future. Setting aside the few crack pots, most at the company I work for see the only way as up.

Now if Obahma took your approach to message boards to his speach writing we'd have a 70 odd your old war vet and a nutter from the frozen north in charge.

I am off now, have a good evening. Mind how you go.

Re: Is Listy an Alien : Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:00 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

I've followed the club since 1996. There have been times of glory, hope and some brilliant rugby. The state of the club now, in many important aspects, is dire, and there are many concerns that need to be addressed or else in 3 years time we will be no more.

I've followed the club for the same length of time. I share some of your concerns but the biggest single issue is the poor crowds. Without increased crowds we will struggle to survive. I hope the club can sort this out with some focussed effort. The investment in junior development has certainly seen postitive rewards. What we usefully can do is give the club all the support and help we can.

: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:28 pm  

I've supported the club since 1980 so

Re: Is Listy an Alien : Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:28 pm  

retirethename wrote:

.... because without hope we cannot dream of greater things, we cannot effect change. Who would have thought 40 years ago America, the GREAT US of A would have a black President elect? But it has happened by coloured people remaining positive and fighting the fight through positive action, not sitting around and posting moaning messages.


You really have to learn to channel such negatives in to positives. I know you mean as well as I and others, you just go about it the wrong way. As you get older and wiser you will start to realise that change is never progressed through a negative approach - that just holds everything back. By trying to dream about the positives helps to create a vibe that flashes from person to person, and breads a winning culture.

Just ask your average American how the feel this week about their future. Setting aside the few crack pots, most at the company I work for see the only way as up.

Now if Obahma took your approach to message boards to his speach writing we'd have a 70 odd your old war vet and a nutter from the frozen north in charge.

I am off now, have a good evening. Mind how you go.

I know my opinions can't affect change but it doesn't mean that I won't express them to discuss with others. I don't post on here to change the way the club runs, I post on here to talk about issues with like minded supporters, much like I would after a match in the pub. I can't affect the outcome but its still worth discussing. Dreaming is all well and good but we need a lot more than dreaming to push the club forward.

Your comparison is somewhat ridiculous. You are saying because black people dreamed it, were positive, Obama appeared and become the President? Yes, as simple as that. Obama wasted millions of $ on his campaign then. Investment. Something there is very little of at Harlequins RL. In fact that situation seems to be what a lot of people on here think we are in - they are dreaming up that everyone will be OK if we believe etc, when in reality the club needs to take positive action and not steps back (offloading the top stars and not replacing them, closing half the ground etc).

I forsee the match day product being the worst it has been for a long time and this is my primary concern. Marketing the club is all well and good, you get the bums on seats but they won't stay, come back and watch us if we are getting stuffed by all comers sitting in 1 stand with no atmosphere and a crap view.

: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:28 pm  

At the forum on Thur Mac was extremely positive with regards to the players he has. He believes we are stronger now that at any time in the past few years. As he said we haven't had a back row for some time. We now have 2 good players coming across to play there. We've lost Marty who didn't play that often, HP who was a steady Eddie, Hill who on his day was brilliant but not consistent or injury free enough.

I asked him on Thur how we will play without a No 6. He believes last year we were 2 reliant on Hill similar to Wigan with Barrett. Leeds tend to go to various first receivers which is what we will do.

I dont mind the other side of the coin because it provokes debate. Keep it up.

I think each year we have hope. It appears we are getting a decent support team working at the club CEO, Marketing etc. Everybody knows the crowd is a concern. Hoggy says we have targets, what they are he wouldnt say.

As Clarky said today during one of the matches its a team that will win the WC not individuals. Im looking forward to it as I always do.

Re: Is Listy an Alien : Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:56 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

The squad for next season is the worst that I have seen since I started following the club.

wire-quin wrote:

At the forum on Thur Mac was extremely positive with regards to the players he has. He believes we are stronger now that at any time in the past few years.

Come next October, we'll know who's right.

: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:06 pm  

Im not sure what we will know.

Listy says this is the worst team since 96

Mac says this is the best squad for 2 1/2 years

Both could be right, both could be wrong. One things for sure there is no correlation between the 2