: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:32 pm  

Conroy wrote:

Sorry to be pedantic but Tim Jonkers is Dutch.

I think the main thing should be how many GOOD players have we ruined? You do not go from being the leagues leading scorer two years in three to a bag of crap overnight.

... and to be even more pedantic, Carney is Irish.

Any more?

: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:45 pm  

We have truly signed some rubbish in the last 10 years, but the more scary thing is how many players have come to Wigan and become rubbish. Wigan have ruined more good players than anyone over the last few years.
I have a bit of sympathy for Fielden, he has gone from being a successful part of a pack of monsters to being part of a pack that couldn't fight it's way out of a paper bag.
And yes, I would be happy to say that to the current bunch of jessies in person.

: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:50 pm  

Hoofer wrote:

I have a bit of sympathy for Fielden, he has gone from being a successful part of a pack of monsters to being part of a pack that couldn't fight it's way out of a paper bag.
And yes, I would be happy to say that to the current bunch of jessies in person.

Totally agree. Bar Fekas 10 minute burst we have one of the least feared packs in SL. There is no real enforcer in there. Fielden at Bradford was not exactly an enforcer. He was just a very very energetic prop who would keep taking the ball up time and time again and would still look as fresh in the last minute of a game as he did in the 1st. At Wigan he is being expected to carry the whole pack on his own.

Re: The last really GOOD british player we signed : Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:57 pm  

Meyt N Prater Pie wrote:

Who was it? Ive just been sat trying to think and can hardly pick any really good british signings, possibly in the last 10 years
Many have come with huge promise and simply been no good

Stuart Fielden - Half a million pound spent, world record transfer fee and monster wages. Ok he has improved slightly but in the big scheme of things, rubbish signing

Micky Higham - Couldnt fault his effort or passion but theres a good reason his contract wasnt renewed. Abysmal passing game

Richie Mathers - one of our worst signings ever

Mark Calderwood - Again, good effort but not good enough. Rubbish try scoring rate and often couldnt make the first team

Andy Coley - Absolutely rubbish this mon. Ive seen more enthusiasm in a dead dog

Danny Hill - Cack

Danny Sculthorpe - Far too injury prone and loved throwing a big daft pass out

Danny Orr - Another who came with a good reputation from Castleford and simply didnt deliver. Played ok in his last 6 games, thats it.

Wayne Godwin - Not a bad player to be fair but never a world beater

Those are just a few. Other superb British signings include Wayne McDonald, Tim Jonkers, Liam Botham and Oliver Wilkes. We havent actually signed many British lads at all come to think of it. We used to be the best at this...
Andy Platt, Martin Offiah, Kelvin Skerrett etc and now we have to make do with people like Andy Coley. Why?
Ive gone through our past ten seasons and the one who Id say has been a reallty good british signing is Terry Newton and at a push (a big push!), Danny Tickle.

Everyone else we've had have been imports or young lads who ave eventually been fired off

Calderwood was a prolific scorer for Leeds. Probably Wigan tactics explain his lack o scoring.

: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:03 pm  

Red Hot Jalapeno wrote:

Totally agree. Bar Fekas 10 minute burst we have one of the least feared packs in SL. There is no real enforcer in there. Fielden at Bradford was not exactly an enforcer. He was just a very very energetic prop who would keep taking the ball up time and time again and would still look as fresh in the last minute of a game as he did in the 1st. At Wigan he is being expected to carry the whole pack on his own.

Agreed

Its a huge shame he hasn't recaptured his Bradford form but it could happen if we sign a decent prop to help him out

One reason I think he doesn't make the yards he used to is because he has no support when taking the ball up. I mean there are no dummy runners, nobody pushing up and looking for the offload. Teams now target him because they know whats going to happen(The Mason incident doesn't help either)

: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:42 pm  

Not a great signing but certainly a decent one was Tony Smith

: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:47 pm  

Karl Pryce!

The guys got a try per game scoring ratio and is yet to have a bad competative game in his 15months at the club.

: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:00 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Karl Pryce!

The guys got a try per game scoring ratio and is yet to have a bad competative game in his 15months at the club.

: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:51 pm  

Andy Goodway is the last great one I can recall...............

The last good one was probably Neil Cowie.

It seems a long time ago now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:56 pm  

Hoofer wrote:

We have truly signed some rubbish in the last 10 years, but the more scary thing is how many players have come to Wigan and become rubbish. Wigan have ruined more good players than anyone over the last few years.
I have a bit of sympathy for Fielden, he has gone from being a successful part of a pack of monsters to being part of a pack that couldn't fight it's way out of a paper bag.
And yes, I would be happy to say that to the current bunch of jessies in person.

Quite.

Calderwood top try scorer with Leeds. Nowhere with Wigan.

Pat Richards, deadly with West Tigers in a Grand Final NRL winning side. Nowhere near that level with Wigan.

Matty Johns, top player in the NRL. Absolute rubbish with Wigan, but when he went to the Sharks a year later he was top class.

MAny more examples could be made if I could be arsed.