Re: Lisa Nandy : Wed Aug 07, 2024 3:32 pm  

Going OT, but isn't the woman an actual woman and not a trans person i.e she was born female?

If she's got naturally enhanced testosterone levels, then just no different to Phelps having double jointed bones etc. isn't sport all about maximizing the gifts you're born with?

It's like me moaning it's unfair that Bolt has more fast twitch fibers than me.

Re: Lisa Nandy : Wed Aug 07, 2024 3:54 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

What do you actually expect her to come out and say?

They have legally qualified under the IOC rules.

The IOC are clueless mate. Somebody with XY chromosomes should not be boxing against a woman, they have a distinct advantage. Even though this is boxing the IOC has a duty of care to competitors.

Re: Lisa Nandy : Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:25 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Going OT, but isn't the woman an actual woman and not a trans person i.e she was born female?

If she's got naturally enhanced testosterone levels, then just no different to Phelps having double jointed bones etc. isn't sport all about maximizing the gifts you're born with?

It's like me moaning it's unfair that Bolt has more fast twitch fibers than me.

No. The person is an XY male with a DSD (difference in sexual development). Which means she was raised as a girl, which is fair enough. But is in fact male. And presents as male. And did not seek to overturn her ban, which you'd have any female would do. Some women have higher testosterone levels than others, but there's really no overlap with male levels. Stuff I'm reading online about "tall basketball players have an advantage over short ones" is banal, and totally missing the point.

Re: Lisa Nandy : Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:30 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

What do you actually expect her to come out and say?

They have legally qualified under the IOC rules.

As Zig said, I expect her to say that XY boxers in a ring with natal females is wrong. This is a government that (rightly) was making a lot of noise just the other day about epidemic levels of Violence Against Women and Girls.

The IOC rules are, anyone with an F on their passport. In many countries these days, changing the sex marker on your passport is a simple matter, pay a few Euros, and it's sorted.