Havard out till April : Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:18 pm  

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... HlIRRZ0M2U

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... HlIRRZ0M2U

Re: Havard out till April : Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:33 pm  

He cannot have been remotely close to fitness when he returned for the grand final. To completely re-do his hamstring, need an operation and be out for 5+ months is an absolute disgrace.

Our internal medical staff, physios and decision making in these matters needs a top to bottom review!

Re: Havard out till April : Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:38 pm  

Good job we have front row depth next year - we'll need it in the first couple of months. If Harvie Hill is on loan as well we actually look a little thin to start off with. Dupree, Thompson, Byrne, Mago will probably be the four to start the year - after that we may even be calling on Sam Eseh early.

Agree Nathan that the decision to bring Havard in for the GF was questionable.

Re: Havard out till April : Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:40 pm  

A real shame for him and us. It was obviously a huge risk to play him in the GF and it hasn't paid off but I can understand why they took it and I doubt they forced him against his will. If you were in his position, I think you'd take the risk but I get that maybe they should've saved him from himself.

Hopefully none of the other guys who've had surgery will miss too much of pre season or any games. I can't see that it confirms their return dates. I don't have too many worries about missing lads in the early superleague rounds but you'd want as close to a fully fit squad for Penrith as you can put out.

Re: Havard out till April : Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:57 pm  

I supported the decision to play him, knowing that if the worst case scenario happened (which it did) we had plenty of lads how could play big minutes and get the job done (which they did).

A risk is just that, a risk. It work when Tommy came back for the cup final last year.

Shame to miss him for the WCC but we have cover and will be a nice boost when he’s back.

Re: Havard out till April : Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:57 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

A real shame for him and us. It was obviously a huge risk to play him in the GF and it hasn't paid off but I can understand why they took it and I doubt they forced him against his will. If you were in his position, I think you'd take the risk but I get that maybe they should've saved him from himself.

Hopefully none of the other guys who've had surgery will miss too much of pre season or any games. I can't see that it confirms their return dates. I don't have too many worries about missing lads in the early superleague rounds but you'd want as close to a fully fit squad for Penrith as you can put out.

Out of the lads named Miski I’ve heard could be a doubt.

Re: Havard out till April : Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:03 pm  

NSW wrote:

I supported the decision to play him, knowing that if the worst case scenario happened (which it did) we had plenty of lads how could play big minutes and get the job done (which they did).

A risk is just that, a risk. It work when Tommy came back for the cup final last year.

Shame to miss him for the WCC but we have cover and will be a nice boost when he’s back.

Yes but you would at least expect the club to factor in the chance of injury reoccurrence. Maybe they did and it was bad luck but it stinks to me of poor decision making from those involved.

Re: Havard out till April : Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:18 pm  

I can remember lots and lots of occasions over the years when a player had been brought back in for a big game (final) and I’m struggling to recall the success rate of when it has happened.

Rads injection was one, Darren Albert was similar I think in a game and went well once can’t recall what final it was, beyond that it’s usually a bit of a disaster, which once again seems to have been the case here.

Re: Havard out till April : Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:32 pm  

jonh wrote:

I can remember lots and lots of occasions over the years when a player had been brought back in for a big game (final) and I’m struggling to recall the success rate of when it has happened.

Rads injection was one, Darren Albert was similar I think in a game and went well once can’t recall what final it was, beyond that it’s usually a bit of a disaster, which once again seems to have been the case here.

Lockers (not sure what year) came back for the GF and started on the bench.

Not a GF, but ironically Havard was brought back for the quarter final of the cup Vs Wire & won the MOM.

Re: Havard out till April : Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:35 pm  

NSW wrote:

Out of the lads named Miski I’ve heard could be a doubt.

Yep. And Junior.