: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:41 am  

DaveO wrote:

Has he really rebuilt it from top to bottom? What do you mean when you say this?

I am pretty sure there is at least one poster who would disagree with you. Myself I have no idea what he has done off-field and can only judge the on-field performances which are not good under him (and his reluctance to play the junior players which is another negative IMO).

As to a new coach coming and taking this team of players to success and Noble taking a lot of the credit, no way. If a new coach came in and got them playing properly with set moves, dummy runners and a plan B etc and as a result we actually won something then I think the new coach would deserve all the credit for actually making something of this squad of players which Noble would have been sacked for failing to do.

Dave

How dare you, Noble is Wigan coach and hence untouchabke, we will back him to the hilt, despite watching him and his players underperform for the third year in a row.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:48 am  

jonh wrote:

How dare you, Noble is Wigan coach and hence untouchabke, we will back him to the hilt, despite watching him and his players underperform for the third year in a row.

Pseudo Category 1 Fan

[DaveO]

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:49 am  

AJ wrote:

Alot is things i've been told as im not as in the loop as others on here like to pretend. Orrell is one example, he got rid of Dean Bell being another, the whole make up of how training was structured etc. I stand to be corrected on these things.

Was getting rid of Bell considered a good thing? DW gave us Orrell. I know nothing about the training side of it either so I am not sure how you can comment on his off-field influence.

So the repair job he did post Millward didn't do us any good long term?

I am not sure what repair job you mean. Avoiding relegation was two and a half years ago and the squad now is very different than the one that avoided relegation.

What I am saying is he doesn't seem to be able to get the team playing well and if a new coach did, then the credit goes to the new coach. Same players one coach gets results, the other does not so who gets the credit?

Dave

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:50 am  

Orrell Lad wrote:

Pseudo Category 1 Fan

If that means non tinted and speaks the truth you are bob on,

Re: Pub Team : Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:07 am  

Wigan/Leeds Andy wrote:

Does not do justice to our "attack" and lack of creativity. Tonight was just as bad as last week for me. We are an extremely poor side lacking in ideas and set moves. Just what do they do on the training pitch during the week?

It's going to be a looooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg season.

I thought that first half attack was great - aside from some execution issues I thought we did much better than last week. Second half was horrendous in attack though. Like I said on a different thread - whatever Noble said in that dressing room did the trick.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:22 am  

Yes, i was positive at half time..

and then 'Gash' was served!

Whether we like it or not, Mr Nobles job is on the line here - Simple!

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:52 am  

Captain13 wrote:

Yes, i was positive at half time..

and then 'Gash' was served!

Whether we like it or not, Mr Nobles job is on the line here - Simple!

Indeed it is. Lose to Cas next week and he's gone I feel.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:12 am  

DaveO wrote:

As to a new coach coming and taking this team of players to success and Noble taking a lot of the credit, no way. If a new coach came in and got them playing properly with set moves, dummy runners and a plan B etc and as a result we actually won something then I think the new coach would deserve all the credit for actually making something of this squad of players which Noble would have been sacked for failing to do.

Dave

Wigan doesn't work like that, the new coach will not be repsonsible for the team's perfomrance until he has been in post for at least 4 years when he has signed all of the players in the squad. Until then, he will be excused because the previous regime brought in Piggy, Roberts, Pryce et al on over inflated wages and 4 year contracts. On a positive note, if Wigan keep losing, he will be able to take over the side in the "relegation" position, and so as long as he wins a couple of games, he will be able to enjoy the Noble esque hero status for many years to come.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:17 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Wigan doesn't work like that, the new coach will not be repsonsible for the team's perfomrance until he has been in post for at least 4 years when he has signed all of the players in the squad. Until then, he will be excused because the previous regime brought in Piggy, Roberts, Pryce et al on over inflated wages and 4 year contracts. On a positive note, if Wigan keep losing, he will be able to take over the side in the "relegation" position, and so as long as he wins a couple of games, he will be able to enjoy the Noble esque hero status for many years to come.

Exactly most clubs have coaches who have a settling in period and then run with the squad they have. Not at Wigan, we have to give each coach a settling in period of at least 4 years before they are held even slightly responsible for the teams performances.

Quite clearly we do not have bad players, but for some reason they are not performing, the sooner this is sorted the sooner we can move forward ax a club rather than being in this constant "transitional period".

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:39 am  

Captain13 wrote:

Yes, i was positive at half time..

and then 'Gash' was served!

Whether we like it or not, Mr Nobles job is on the line here - Simple!

Same here.

First half was a big improvement on last week and at half time I thought we could go on and win. Even more so when Pat went in for his try.

But after that it went downhill again and the same things that let us down against Wakefield started to hurt us last night. ie - No dummy runners, one out rugby, poor completion, poor kicking and mistakes in defence.