: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:40 am  

Two things make a successful manager in any field:

Communication - he has to be able to communicate equally effectively to his players, to his Chairman, to press and to the supporters. Roy Keane showed that ignoring the people with the purse strings is ultimately futile, and Tony Adams lack of communication abilities probably cost him his chance of being a successful head coach.

Team building - A coach needs to be able to builld a strong team, not just on the pitch, but probably equally importantly off it. Clive Woodward did that with England, Gatland is doing it at Wales now (along with Edwards). Anderson was greatly helped at Saints by his staff, especially with the likes of Perelini who had huge respect from the players.

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:41 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Two things make a successful manager in any field:

Communication - he has to be able to communicate equally effectiavely to his players, to his Chairman, to press and to the supporters. Roy Keane showed that ignoring the people with the purse strings is ultimately futile, and Tony Adams lack of communication abilities probably cost him his chance of being a successful head coach.

Team building - A coach needs to be able to builld a strong team, not just on the pitch, but probably equally importantly off it. Clive Woodward did that with England, Gatland is doing it at Wales now (along with Edwards). Anderson was greatly helped at Saints by his staff, especially with the likes of Perelini who had huge respect from the players.

Excellent point there!

Another example would be Man Utd all the players that go there seem to improve no end after a season or two there. They are all forced to adopt high standards set by the senior players and if they don’t like it then they are soon out.

A good coach as you say creates the right environment for his players to progress and develop. Clive Woodward was an absolute master of it at England he brought in and surrounded himself with all the best coaches he could get his hands on, he got the team training at the best facilities and used the same base for all the England training camps. Add to that he was using what were advanced training techniques stolen from numerous other fields and you have a recipe for success.

I’ve said it before but I’d love an innovator like that to come to Wigan and maximise the unrivalled potential we have in the town. We’ve got a huge talented junior base, top facilities with Orrell and one of the premier reputations in the whole sport. We should at least me able to attract a better standard of fitness coaches than Forshaw shouldn’t we?

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:51 am  

My top three would be:
Jack Gibson
Wayne Bennett
Vince Lombardi

Off the top of my head, I would say a good coach must be prepared, organised, an outstanding communicator at all levels, a motivator, an inspisration, a leader, a tactician, flexible, a good listener, a diplomat.

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: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:04 am  

Bridger wrote:

Off the top of my head, I would say a good coach must be prepared, organised, an outstanding communicator at all levels, a motivator, an inspisration, a leader, a tactician, flexible, a good listener, a diplomat.

Which of those boxes does the Wheel Chair RL coach tick?

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:48 am  

A good coach has to be have a bit of everything in there arsenal, they have to be a leader, a psychologist, sometimes a friend sometimes a foe, byt the key attributed for me that are crucial for any coach are:-

Knowledge-clearly you have to know your subject matter that you are coaching, the greater the knowledge then the more chance you have at being successfull. You have to constantly strive to improve your knowledge and apply it as trends evolve and the game changes. If you are standing still in any coaching discipline in real terms you are moving backwards.

Communication-You can be the most knowledgable person in the world but if you cannot communicate that knowledge at a the correct level to the people you are coaching you may as well not bother.

Man Management- It is crucial you know how to deal with the characters and eho's in the team, although a coach is in charge of a team a team is only the sum of its individual parts, you have to know what makes each individual tick, what kind of stimulus they respond to best, ie a kick up the aris or a softly softly approach, you have to treat each member of the team as an individual and identify key relationships they have that are of benefit to the group, and nurture them and erradicate any negative relationships. You also have to be a good judge of character and surround yourselves with quality individuals on and off the pitch to support you. You also have to be open to new ideas and exploring new options striving for personal growth rather than stagnating.

I do not doubt any Wigan coach including the current one do not tick all the boxes for knowledge, i do think that some of them lost there jobs because of the second 2.

Good coaches are those that have managed to be employed for a career length in whichever field they work. Alex Furgusson is a fantastic coach, Wayne Bennett Jack Gibson, Vern Gambetta, Wilf Paige etc.

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:06 pm  

A good coach is someone who knows who to employ on the coaching staff and lets them get on with doing their jobs, if you look at all top coaches in any sport they have a good team below them with the right people in the right jobs - not any of this employing friends/relations/favourite ex-players nonsense just for the sake of it.

A top coach know how to delegate and lead a team of professionals getting the best out of their squad of players. A top coach does not have to do all the day to day activities and can concentrate on the things that matter.

All the top names mentioned fall into this category.

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:36 pm  

Seem's Nobby now wants every club to sign 1 UNION player on 50K, is he trying to deflect the anger from the fans again http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wigan/7892287.stm The Axe man is coming for you

Seem's Nobby now wants every club to sign 1 UNION player on 50K, is he trying to deflect the anger from the fans again http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wigan/7892287.stm The Axe man is coming for you

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: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:56 pm  

Homer Simpson wrote: Seem's Nobby now wants every club to sign 1 UNION player on 50K, is he trying to deflect the anger from the fans again http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wigan/7892287.stm The Axe man is coming for you http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?t=394755

Homer Simpson wrote: Seem's Nobby now wants every club to sign 1 UNION player on 50K, is he trying to deflect the anger from the fans again http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wigan/7892287.stm The Axe man is coming for you http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?t=394755

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:17 pm  

The ability to achieve more than the sum of the parts, for example Ellery took Doncaster to promotion last season with a young, unheralded team which on a player by player basis was inferior to several others, including the Oldham team beaten in the decider.

Martin Crompton is doing a cracking job at Blackpool, building steadily from a seemingly hopeless position.

Mark Aston has done a consistently good job at Sheffield.

Martin Hall has always done a good job at various places.

In SL Brian McDermott is showing some potential.

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:00 pm  

Red Hot Jalapeno wrote:

John Monie. Not only was he a great coach he knew how a club runs from top to bottom.

jonh could have coached that team and that saying someting ,it coached its self