: Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:45 pm  

Cadoo! wrote:

To quote Bilko:



Second this.

Thirded

His defence is awful

Has the guy been taking lessons of Mathers

Is it down to poor technique, no bottle or both

[JTB]

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:35 pm  

The last tackle options last night were perhaps the worst I've ever seen from a Wigan team (and I remember Wendy Whitfield being our playmaker). DUMB plays - kicking out on the full, hoofing it more or less straight over the dead ball line and when they actually decided to run it they did so when aboslutely nothing was on and there was no support. The halves look absolutely lost at the moment and why the holy feck Tomkins can't be given a run with Tommy going to hooker I have no idea at all.

Re: Tim Smith : Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:39 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: Neither can Lee Briers or Sean Long but they won't get the same amount of stick that Tim Smith gets. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?season=2008&stat=missed_tackles&hs1=2008&hp1=506&hs2=2008&hp2=357 agree 100%

Rogues Gallery wrote: Neither can Lee Briers or Sean Long but they won't get the same amount of stick that Tim Smith gets. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?season=2008&stat=missed_tackles&hs1=2008&hp1=506&hs2=2008&hp2=357 agree 100%

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:56 pm  

You could even say we are missing Trent in defense more than in attack due to Smiths aweful tackling.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:22 pm  

Tim Smith is too hot and cold for my liking. One week he looks to be hitting form the next he looks like Dennis Moran MK2. The problem is hes only young and fairly inexperienced himself. What we need is a really experienced halfback partner next to him who can do the organising and kicking whilst Smith concentrates on set plays.

On the subject of halfbacks,i though Sean Long was awesome against Warrington last week. He virtually won Saints the game single handed.He was dancing about mid field drawing the Warrington defence in then moving the ball wide leaving acres of space for Pryce and Gidley to run into. Warrington couldnt lay a hand on Long.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:24 pm  

Cadoo! wrote:

To quote Bilko:



Second this.

And Tomkins' defence is better?

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:24 pm  

Wakefield targetted him and the Castleford did the same. It's been a clear issue that has to be solved.

I think we'dve won the game if he'd made that tackle.

But whatever the case, you can't concede 28 to any team at home. It's not good enough.

Re: Tim Smith : Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:46 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: Neither can Lee Briers or Sean Long but they won't get the same amount of stick that Tim Smith gets. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?season=2008&stat=missed_tackles&hs1=2008&hp1=506&hs2=2008&hp2=357 Again, why compare other teams to us? We need to look at Wigan and not Wire and Saints? Barrett was an excellent rough tough defender, and we replace him with Smith who cant tackle to save his life.

Rogues Gallery wrote: Neither can Lee Briers or Sean Long but they won't get the same amount of stick that Tim Smith gets. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?season=2008&stat=missed_tackles&hs1=2008&hp1=506&hs2=2008&hp2=357 Again, why compare other teams to us? We need to look at Wigan and not Wire and Saints? Barrett was an excellent rough tough defender, and we replace him with Smith who cant tackle to save his life.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:58 pm  

Smith's by far the best passer of the ball in the team but we have no runners off him. IMO we need a few players running at gaps & just let Smith pick them out, then I think we'll see the best of him.

Although his attempted tackle last night was shocking!

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:00 pm  

RB wrote:

And Tomkins' defence is better?

Can't be much worse can it? What harm can it do?

I wouldn't mind if he made up for it in attack but he doesn't. As some has mentioned he's too hit and miss.