: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:17 pm  

although I think Tim smith has been very very poor this season I have sympathy for him in the fact he to is a young lad and has been handed the responsibility of taking over from Trent which was huge boots to fill

I think he is seriously lacking in confidence and looks scared to try anything other than the basics and with a pack in front of him not doing their job its going to be hard for him to make an impact. he is a class player and anyone who questions that should watch some of the games from 2005 where he won the dally m award some of his touches that season where amazing

but its 2009 and fans support for smith is disappearing by the game especially as everyone wants to see Tomkins given a chance (me being one) but I think smith can be a massive player for Wigan and with confidence we will see him play some exciting rugby.

Re: smith out now : Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:18 pm  

HKB wrote:

Silly comment. Smith is an Ex Dally M winner and once he finds his form he is a class player.

In bold is the key point. He is a shadow of the player he was and has been awful this season, easily the worst player.

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:21 pm  

Sick of hearing we need to drop this player, whe need to drop that player. We need some consistency in the team especilly in key roles. The team on Saturday played ok, so lets leave it how it is. The team will never improve if personnel in the key roles keeps changing!!

Re: smith out now : Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:22 pm  

riversider wrote:

In bold is the key point. He is a shadow of the player he was and has been awful this season, easily the worst player.

He was easily our MOM against Hull.

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:22 pm  

Andy Greg wrote:

This is how it should be for at least the next 6 games

Spot on, leave Sam on the bench, give him time to develop, we dont want him to become another Kevin Brown or Luke Robinson, he has more talent than that, and as such deserves our patience, but i doubt he will get it.

Re: smith out now : Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:26 pm  

HKB wrote:

He was easily our MOM against Hull.

Why because of 2 kicks to the corner? I wouldnt say he easily was at all. I agree he was much better than in his other 3 games but that isnt saying much.

Re: smith out now : Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:31 pm  

riversider wrote:

In bold is the key point. He is a shadow of the player he was and has been awful this season, easily the worst player.

Coley
Mathers
Pryce (has his reasons, but nevertheless)

Tim Smith was MoM the other week and but for his passes, we would have been without a lot of the tries that we have managed to score so far this year.

OK, he has a weakness in his defence and hardly ever attacks the line himself, but when you can pass a ball as quickly and accurately as he does, you don't need to.

Work on that defence and Tim Smith will shine.

Even as he is now, I would have him in my top 3 picks, along with Tommy and Pat and build the rest of the team-sheet from there.

Talking about permanently replacing him with Sam is quite simply foolish.

Re: smith out now : Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:41 pm  

Pie Eyed wrote:

Talking about permanently replacing him with Sam is quite simply foolish.

If Sam outplays him in the bradford match then why not? we have to play players on form

Re: smith out now : Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:46 pm  

Meyt N Prater Pie wrote:

If Sam outplays him in the bradford match then why not? we have to play players on form

I have to agree.

ST didn't look out of place. He does not need "protecting and nurturing".

He was the beter performing 6 and should retain his place.

That said, Riddell didn't do enough to merit a starting position. TL to 9 and Smith to 7.

: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:52 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Disagree completely. Tomkins coming in off the bench is fine for now. And people shouldn't forget how well Tim Smith can play, we need to keep faith in him for the time being.

spot on mate even tho tim has let us down upto now , he can play he did nt win Rookie of the Year award after leading the NRL in try assists for nothing yes we all want sam to play but there s nothing wrong doing what we did last week there is no need to burn sam out before we ve even started i d go with same team less coley i could same a couple of more but that would nt happen lets hope these ozzy s gel soon an get better in the better weather i live in the heart of st.helens unlucky for me lol all my freinds an family are stains fans its like me against the world an they all tell me jamie lyon was rubbish for most of the season b4 he started being a super star