: Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:56 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

He's played 55 games for Wigan.

More than I thought however he played most of his games last year when he had too much bulk on him.

For the team it was important we played Bailey at centre because we were leaking so many tries down the right hand side. I would like to see Goulding come back in at centre again to play with Sam as I think they would score tries for fun. I do think he was harshly dropped as it was Smith who was missing the tackles on one side of him and he had a very unfit Karl Pryce on the other side.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:08 pm  

- Neil - wrote:

More than I thought however he played most of his games last year when he had too much bulk on him.

For the team it was important we played Bailey at centre because we were leaking so many tries down the right hand side. I would like to see Goulding come back in at centre again to play with Sam as I think they would score tries for fun. I do think he was harshly dropped as it was Smith who was missing the tackles on one side of him and he had a very unfit Karl Pryce on the other side.

It was more his poor decision making at Hull that concerned me. I don't want him to leave the club on a permanent basis.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:18 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

He's played 55 games for Wigan.

That is a lot of games but considering a lot of them were made when he was maybe 19/20 years old it isn't a fair indication imo.

For me he hasn't had a continuous run in the team. He's been in one week playing well then dropped or off form the week after. Did he not have a stormer against Quins at home last season then he hardly played again.

Considering his age it could be argued he’s outplayed more senior players such as King, Yeamen, Senior and Hape.

One year loan at a half decent SL club like Wakey, Hull KR or Quins would do him a world of good IMO. A struggling Salford side would do more harm than good imo.

It’s catch 21 as imo he’s 2 good to let go but he’s not gonna get the game time he needs just yet at Wigan.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:06 pm  

Id keep hold of him before Phelps, a season long loan at Salford etc were he would be playing every week could do him the world of good.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:11 pm  

I would send him on loan to maybe Bradford, Quins or maybe Huddersfield or maybe a top NL1 side give him some experience of first team games he is wasted in the reserves

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:27 pm  

Agreed.

Goulding needs SL experience but not at the cost of Wigan. Loan him out. See how he gets on playing first team rugby week in week out..

Goulding-on loan
Mathers, Coley, Phelps- sell.
Bailey, reduced contract or sell.
Smith.. I need help with this fella! Don't know what's best.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:30 pm  

He isn't good enough. Asking to leave is the cowards way out.

He needs to go on loan and play week in week out and see if he can become a decent centre. Joel Tomkins should be his rolemodel.

He has had more than enough chances to "make it" as Rogues said, 55 games is a decent number, but he still refuses to pass and hasn't got the quality to finish off chances.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:35 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Agreed.

Goulding needs SL experience but not at the cost of Wigan. Loan him out. See how he gets on playing first team rugby week in week out..

Goulding-on loan
Mathers, Coley, Phelps- sell.
Bailey, reduced contract or sell.
Smith.. I need help with this fella! Don't know what's best.

Smith is Good cover he is a very good 7 but not 6 which is where we are playing him i would personally keep him until the end of the season and play him in at 7 with sam at 6 and tommy as cover for 9.

And send Micky Mc on loan to Bradford for a few weeks as cover for Godwin would do him a world of good and he would come back as a much better player

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:47 pm  

Andy Greg wrote:

Smith is Good cover he is a very good 7 but not 6 which is where we are playing him i would personally keep him until the end of the season and play him in at 7 with sam at 6 and tommy as cover for 9.

And send Micky Mc on loan to Bradford for a few weeks as cover for Godwin would do him a world of good and he would come back as a much better player

How would McIlloram learn more as interchange hooker at Bradford than at Wigan?

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:51 pm  

Bill_Barlow wrote:

How would McIlloram learn more as interchange hooker at Bradford than at Wigan?

He would be learning off Newton and Tez could teach him a lot about the game.

So far he has been learning off Higham and Riddel and Riddel has his work cut out getting himself up to speed i think a spell under Tez would do him a world of good