: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:41 pm  

Alex BP' wrote:

O'Loughlin, Hock, Riddell, Roberts, Fielden, Smith, Bailey have all earned world recognized awards/call ups but aren't producing the same form currently at Wigan.

Either way, those mentioned aren't bottom 7 standard players are they?

Just like our coach all have major flaws in there game, the issue is that even though all players have weaknesses we play to a style that exposes them.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:42 pm  

Babyface Finlayson wrote:

Lenegan seems as cluesless as Noble, the crowds are going Lenegan..Crap Rugby, Crap Coach, Crap Future.....Sort it...

Lenegan is worse than clueless


He isn't a patch on Mo imo, both in RL knowledge and application.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:44 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Lenegan is worse than clueless


He isn't a patch on Mo imo, both in RL knowledge and application.

Serious question Brett not trying to draw a row, what are your thoughts on Noble are they still unphased, you seem to continually point the finger everywhere apart from at him.

While I accept your stance with the chairman for me the way to solve this would be by sacking the coach.

Re: Ian Lenegan, is this acceptable? : Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:44 pm  

Alex BP' wrote:

Did you think they would have been bad signings BEFORE we sign them?

Yes
Second choice hooker playing second row in the NRL
An alchoholic idiot who has more problems that can be listed
A player recovering from major need surgery (Mathers)
Roberts has always been a suspect defender in a very strong Sydney Roosters team who was allowed toleave to free up room on the salary cap.

So yes i would not have signed anyone of them

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:44 pm  

jonh wrote:

Just like our coach all have major flaws in there game, the issue is that even though all players have weaknesses we play to a style that exposes them.

Not being funny but can you really comment after not being at the game?

Can you evaluate the performance?

Can you draw your own conclusions about the performance?


I am conscious that I don't want to bore people into a BK vs JH thread, but the point is worthwhile imo.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:48 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Lenegan is worse than clueless


He isn't a patch on Mo imo, both in RL knowledge and application.

How dare you say that .

Mr Lenaghan posts on here and tells us how wonderful things are at Fans Forums so he is great.

Unfortunately, the club appears to be owned by a PR merchant who thinks that because he does the above, has a pint with the fans in Cardiff/Perpignan that all misgivings will be forgotten.

Rather than giving jobs for the boys to Lyon, Pendlebury, Forshaw and Vievers we should have ripped the coaching structure apart and brought in quality staff based on their ability and not where they come from/who they are friendly with.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:49 pm  

jonh wrote:

Serious question Brett not trying to draw a row, what are your thoughts on Noble are they still unphased, you seem to continually point the finger everywhere apart from at him.

While I accept your stance with the chairman for me the way to solve this would be by sacking the coach.

Uncanny. Our posts were at the same time


I am still backing Noble. I can see how the criticism can be put to him, of course I can. I do, however, think that he will come good over the course of the season.


A few things don't add up for me though.

Namely, I can't believe that Noble would enter a SL season with an underpar pack. Which, on the face of it, we have.

So I have to ask myself, who has "meddled" in this.

Surely the only person could have been IL.


If Nobby has gone into SL with this pack, then I will hold my hands up and say "It's all Nobby's fault".

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:52 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Not being funny but can you really comment after not being at the game?

Can you evaluate the performance?

Can you draw your own conclusions about the performance?


I am conscious that I don't want to bore people into a BK vs JH thread, but the point is worthwhile imo.

On the performance tonight no, tonight i was paying my respect to a friend, but it is clear on the reports we were poor, and i do not need to see the game tonight to see the same criticism of the team that have been around for the last 2 years in games i have seen.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:52 pm  

Unfortunately our two worst players tonight were our two youngsters.

Both Sam and Ainscough made really bad errors, but they will learn from them, and it was what we thought may happen (though not in the same game)

Whether they cost us the game is open to debate, but in the long term it won't do them any harm.

: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:54 pm  

Alex BP' wrote:

O'Loughlin, Hock, Riddell, Roberts, Fielden, Smith, Bailey have all earned world recognized awards/call ups but aren't producing the same form currently at Wigan.

Either way, those mentioned aren't bottom 7 standard players are they?

O'Loughlin - Not a captain. Needs the burden off his back. Not scoring enough tries in attack although outstanding in defence, especially from marker positions.

Hock - Quality at times but mentally lacks the edge to be "world class".

Riddell - No better or worse than Higham so far.

Roberts - Dissappointing but we still lack a good centre on his side.

Fielden - Too overpaid. Not worth a new contract.

Smith - Again mentally lacks the edge to be "world class". Defence woeful. Worse I've seen in a Wigan shirt in truth. He could be Barrettesque in attack but waste of time if you can't defend.

Bailey - Solid and reliable but never been seen as class to me despite his Aussie caps in 2003.

They are not bottom 7 standard though but we really need to start questioning the captaincy. Its not good enough and I'm rapidly losing patience. The leadership is none exsistent and in the three home defeats so far, leadership could easily have been the difference in us winning those games. Goal Kicking as well to be fair.