: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:43 pm  

RB wrote:

Because we beat them 44-10 at home and I doubt if we played them another 10 times we would lose again.

Most likely. But the dire performances will happen again. Consistently we haven't performed week in week out is the point I was trying to get at. No the games against Stains and Wakefield and Salford etc weren't one off results but they weren't consistent results.

: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:48 pm  

RB wrote:

Because we beat them 44-10 at home and I doubt if we played them another 10 times we would lose again.

If we played them 10 times away on the trot, I'm sure we would not win the lot!!!

Shows how low we have sunk really!

: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:50 pm  

post wrote: http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2427&hs2=2009&hp2=2020&stat=tackle_busts&season=2009 I would bring in LMS to replace Prescott who would go out on loan and bring in Morley to replace Coley. Fielden and Morley starting LMS nad Palea'aesina impact. Ooooouch! TBH a prop similar to Morley would IMO bring out the best in Stuart Fielden again, Fielden clearly makes more yards when all our forwards are on top form attacking wise (less defense etc etc). With a front row with what you suggested, I can see that happening quite often.

post wrote: http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2427&hs2=2009&hp2=2020&stat=tackle_busts&season=2009 I would bring in LMS to replace Prescott who would go out on loan and bring in Morley to replace Coley. Fielden and Morley starting LMS nad Palea'aesina impact. Ooooouch! TBH a prop similar to Morley would IMO bring out the best in Stuart Fielden again, Fielden clearly makes more yards when all our forwards are on top form attacking wise (less defense etc etc). With a front row with what you suggested, I can see that happening quite often.

: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:52 pm  

cadoo wrote:

Okay the wording was put poorly. They weren't one off results but they weren't consistent. They are dotted out over the course of the season and it is annoying how one week we can put a brilliant performance (like the first 15-20 minutes of the Salford game) and then lose to Celtic Crusaders.

The semi-finals in the league have covered up the cracks of the side and I think honestly if you took out Trent Barrett we wouldn't have even been in the position to get close to Old Trafford. Even with him in truth we have well and truely been beaten by Leeds twice in the semi-final.

Catalans in the cup is the closest we can to a final and a sniff of a trophy but I don't put this down to us being a good side and Noble being a genius it is because on our day we can put in a one off performance and so subsequently we are a decent cup team.

Just out of interest, what if we still had Barrett this season? Would we be alot higher up the table or in the same place, because I really believe as many do that Barrett carried us for two years.

I really do not know how to put this season into words. We could talk about it forever like the SC or why England were rubbish in the world cup.

: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:54 pm  

post wrote:

Its common that players, clubs and agents don't stick to the anti tamper deadline of Septemebr 1st.

So if I were IL I would check on the availability of Morley and what he wants to come here.

Same with LMS and see what transfer fee Quins would require and whether he would want to come but surely an approach to LMS should only come when we look like an attractive club e.g. Quins are doing crap and we are back to normal doin fantastic under Kearney

Same with Lockyer, people criticise his defence but how tough is the NRL? He isn't Queensland 6 and Aus 6 for nothing and with Lockers and Gleeson either side of him I think he would do ok.

I am not overly convinced with Griffin, he has potential and takes the ball in hard with plenty aggression, I would take him on loan for the rest of the year and if he does well at a big club then offer him terms.

Also make an offer to Briscoe.

I believe with those players and Smith, Coley, Bailey, Phelps, Pryce (Loan), Flanagan (Loan), Prescott (Loan), Goulding (Loan). McIllorum (Month to month loan).

Kearney as coach, the signings of LMS, Morley, Lockyer and Briscoe would be brilliant

Sadly there is very little chance of this happening.

Morley will most likely not leave Dire, even if he came to us him and Fielden would take a massive chunk of the cap, especially if we signed Lockyer as well we would have a high percentage of our cap on just 3 players. Neither are going to happen unfortunately. LMS is also under contract and will at least see out his contract there IMO he will most likely replace Fielden at the end of 2010. Briscoe would be a really good signing but he is on a fairly long term deal at HKR and would require a good lump to bring him back to Wigan, whilst I think IL would put his hand in his pocket I don't see him doing it for a player in a position that isn't top of the priority list for us at the moment.

For me we need to sort the coaching staff out first. Get rid of Noble bring in Kearney with Faz and Pongia as his assistants. We would then have the pride, passion and respect back in the club then we should let them bring in the players that they want, 2 props and a top half back preferably. Maybe even persuade Kiwi players in the NRL to jump ship.

Re: * * * Rumours & Signings XIII * * * : Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:55 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

I don't think this is the case at all, just as it wasn't last year.

Agreed.

He isn't the sort of blokle to rush by the looks of him and i'd doubt we've made a decision on a coach for next year yet, made any signings yet or sorted out whats happening with the kit sponsorship.

It'll all be rushed through in the last couple of weeks before the season starts imo.

: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:56 pm  

odemwingie wrote:

Just out of interest, what if we still had Barrett this season? Would we be alot higher up the table or in the same place, because I really believe as many do that Barrett carried us for two years.

I really do not know how to put this season into words. We could talk about it forever like the SC or why England were rubbish in the world cup.

We would still lack a prop forward and I wonder how much Sean O'loughlin would have improved if Trent Barrett was still here.

The guy though would have papered over the cracks for another season for sure. He is state of origin class - one of the best halfbacks in the world and it was a pleasure to watch him but while he was there we were not a team. We were Trent Barrett plus 16 other players. It sounds harsh and disrespectful but effectively we were.

: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:57 pm  

100% Warrior wrote:

TBH a prop similar to Morley would IMO bring out the best in Stuart Fielden again, Fielden clearly makes more yards when all our forwards are on top form attacking wise (less defense etc etc). With a front row with what you suggested, I can see that happening quite often.

Clutching at straws really mate.
Fielden will never be good enough again, sad but true get shut ASAP

: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:59 pm  

odemwingie wrote:

Just out of interest, what if we still had Barrett this season? Would we be alot higher up the table or in the same place, because I really believe as many do that Barrett carried us for two years.

I really do not know how to put this season into words. We could talk about it forever like the SC or why England were rubbish in the world cup.

If we still had Trent we would be a good 6+ points better off IMO. He was that good for us and most definitely papered over the cracks.

If we didn't have Trent for 2007 and 2008 Noble would not be in a job now IMO

: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:00 pm  

I doubt we will even consider looking for a fullback when we have Amos Roberts , Pat Richards and Sean Ainscough at the club. Unless Roberts gets homesick or we decide to release Sean Ainscough one of those players will have to play fullback.

Although many are I am not against the recruitment of Amos Roberts. At the time we had released Calderwood and Colbon and needed a winger as Sean Ainscough had not played a single game of super league and it would have been advisable to play him for a full season. So a winger was needed but my concern was the length of the contract we gave to Amos Roberts. 4 years. That simply is too young with the knowledge that we had a promising winger in the reserves in Sean Ainscough.