Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:19 pm  

Mash Butty wrote:

OK lets look at Finch, the Cas match, falls for a dummy from McGoldrick = try for Cas, dummies a play of the ball near the end of the match = penalty to Cas.
The Huds match, wigan score & receive ball back from kick off, throws a pass to no one, Huds score.
The Catalan debacle at the DW, the Cats run at Finch and score a try at will on every occasion they run at him.
The DW match against the wires, the Wires run at him and score on each occasion. Special treatment= doesn't get dropped for big defensive errors, and plays an important match for which he wasn't even fit to play = pally with Maguire.
Organisation skills are coming on strong, however at Times he looks as slow as a carthorse. Watch who Warringtion attack in both of the up and coming matches, it will be Finch.
It reminds me of when we had J O'Neil and Matty Johns, big signings who we had to play because we paid big money but weren't up to it.
Get Chase in the side before Leeds sign him up

That's the most 1 sided load of rubbish I've read on here for a long, long time.

You've isolated 3 games there to slate him for - 1 was his debut, and another where the whole team were pathetic. He's played out of his skin recently, absolutely running the show against Saints, playing fantastically against Hudds and Cas, and was like a dog with a bone in his defensive attitude yesterday.

Look at the way he links up with the attack now he's found his feet and fitness. I could list individual instances where his decisions alone have got us 6 points, not unlike you did with his flaws, but I won't.

Frankly, with the way he's performed in the last 6 games or so, it would be a long list.

Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:25 pm  

The saints game was won by Mossop and Prescott. Yesterday a under performing Deacon took charge.
No the issue is - if Marsh has a good game he will be dropped, whereas Finch is guaranteed his place. When Maguire started last year he said he will never pick a player on reputation. Finch does, and the likes of Goulding & Marsh aren't allowed to build a reputation,
I think some people have short memories.

Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:29 pm  

Mash Butty wrote:

No the issue is - if Marsh has a good game he will be dropped, whereas Finch is guaranteed his place. When Maguire started last year he said he will never pick a player on reputation. Finch does, and the likes of Goulding & Marsh aren't allowed to build a reputation,
I think some people have short memories.

It's not as cut and dried as that with Marsh.

He played due to an injury to Carmont, who was in top form before missing out. George has scored in 6 straight home games, 2 of them within 5 days last week.

So, assuming he is recalled for Wakey on Friday, Marsh is being replaced by another player in form, and one who's form has been longer sustained than Stefan's good game against Quins.

Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:32 pm  

Mash Butty wrote:

The saints game was won by Mossop and Prescott. Yesterday a under performing Deacon took charge.
No the issue is - if Marsh has a good game he will be dropped, whereas Finch is guaranteed his place. When Maguire started last year he said he will never pick a player on reputation. Finch does, and the likes of Goulding & Marsh aren't allowed to build a reputation,
I think some people have short memories.

Let him off, he's from Bryn

Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:38 pm  

Ive always thought Georgie could have 6 weeks off injured and return to the team and play amazing rugby, because he is class. However he won't be here next year and Wigan have a few "easier" games for Marsh to gain some confidence. We have to start building for next year, unless we have a star signin in the pipeline? We also need strength and depth, as its been pointing out above, Wigan dont have the size or power at the quarters but experience helps.

Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:42 pm  

Vectrabeast wrote:

What do you mean by Finch gets a different treatment? He's been one of our best players for the last 5 or 6 weeks.

I agree that we need time to develop centres but to be fair, Charnley is scoring for fun at the moment with Joel on his inside.

We're also conceding tries down our right hand side.

Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:51 pm  

Mash Butty wrote:

The saints game was won by Mossop and Prescott. Yesterday a under performing Deacon took charge.
No the issue is - if Marsh has a good game he will be dropped, whereas Finch is guaranteed his place. When Maguire started last year he said he will never pick a player on reputation. Finch does, and the likes of Goulding & Marsh aren't allowed to build a reputation,
I think some people have short memories.

You're also ignoring Finch being voted MoM 3 times already this season by us, which is only bettered by Sam.

Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:07 pm  

Look at the Goulding thread, its the same story. Both Goulding & Marsh don't get enough game time to improve. Wigan won the SL last year with comfort. We all thought these 3 ozzie signings would strengthen the squad, but have they?
I think Goulding, Marsh, Farrell & Tuson are losing form and progress unnecessarily. Hence these threads appear scrutinising our younger players and its a sad shame, these lads would have been playin much better this year without the new signings, Lima being the exception due to Fieldens injury.
Im not ignoring MOM performances I'm reminding you of the clubs ideals made last year, lets win the SL with local young talent. So give them a chance....

Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:17 pm  

Mash Butty wrote:

Look at the Goulding thread, its the same story. Both Goulding & Marsh don't get enough game time to improve. Wigan won the SL last year with comfort. We all thought these 3 ozzie signings would strengthen the squad, but have they?
I think Goulding, Marsh, Farrell & Tuson are losing form and progress unnecessarily. Hence these threads appear scrutinising our younger players and its a sad shame, these lads would have been playin much better this year without the new signings, Lima being the exception due to Fieldens injury.
Im not ignoring MOM performances I'm reminding you of the clubs ideals made last year, lets win the SL with local young talent. So give them a chance....

I can't believe you are serious - Hoffman on his own has been one of the best signings in recent Wigan history and his experience has carried us in a number of games. Finch has been improving steadily to the point that he is now an integral part of our attack. Lima has been a solid and effective workhorse, equal to all but Mossop in our front row. All three have been influential in us maintaining a position towards the top of SL in a season when an adjustment had to be made to adjust for the loss if the services of our workhorse prop (Fielden), prime distributor (Riddell) and key right centre strike threat (Gleeson) of last season.

We can all dream about a team full of Wiganers, but it isn't going to happen and don't let it blinker your views on the quality and contribution of imports. Of the four names listed, personally I think only Farrell has a long term future at Wigan.

Re: stefan marsh : Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:42 pm  

Look at the Saints they play & stick to their youth policy where we maybe losing sight of ours. Andy Gregory sits in our club and has nothing but praise for Finch, however he also reminds us that he himself never got signed by Wigan as a youth, because of the "stars" they already had in the team, it took a certain Mr Laughton to recognise his talents.
Lets make sure that never happens again and play some of these boys in the up and coming fixtures, remember these boys are playing for a place in the team, they have a point to prove, Also do you not want Great Britain to win anything? Wigan & Saints could build a GB between them with all the quality youngsters coming through. Also remember, Finch & the Hoff haven't won us anything yet, whereas Farrell, Goulding, Marsh & Tuson have. I rest my case