Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:13 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

The problem is that if this kid makes it, or even looks like making it, they'll be back. Do you think they aren't looking for the next Sam T or Williams?

I'd be surprised if Williams wasn't already on their target list. He's plays in the halves, which as we know is a very different role in Union from League, plus he's never played Union before - but he's shown that he can score tries, which will probably be enough for the likes of Mike Ford to try to convince his bosses to pay a fortune for him. Ford can then worry about whether he actually fits in later.

Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:12 am  

Don't think Williams has the kicking game to make it in Union.

Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:24 am  

Wigg'n wrote:

Don't think Williams has the kicking game to make it in Union.

I think you're missing Cruncher's point.

Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:48 am  

At the same age Thornley went off to Sale and came back pretty quickly. They go for the money. You can't blame them or blame Wigan. The lessons learnt from the Burgess fiasco will take a little time to sink in all around.

It'll be interesting to see how Josh Jones goes with Exeter. I believe he's been farmed out to Taunton (?!!) to learn the game. I reckon he'll be back in League this time next year - and so will Forsythe.

Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:52 am  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

I think you're missing Cruncher's point.

I know the point was that they'll just shove him in somewhere but if he goes I think he would struggle. I can't think of a non-kicking back that has gone to RU and done alright. Maybe Ashton but even he kicked a bit.

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Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:15 am  

Wigg'n wrote:

I know the point was that they'll just shove him in somewhere but if he goes I think he would struggle. I can't think of a non-kicking back that has gone to RU and done alright. Maybe Ashton but even he kicked a bit.

Robinson?

Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:52 am  

Pemps wrote:

Robinson?

I think Robinson was ideal for Union because his greatest asset was his broken-field running, and that is transferrable to Union relatively easily. Perhaps, to a lesser extent, the same was true of Ashton. But a player like Harris, for example - such an effective pivot in League - was totally wasted in Union. I think for the same reason Williams would be - but as I said before, I'm not sure that will stop them sniffing.

It seems to be a constant 'trial and error' thing where Union is concerned. When Andy Farrell went over there, they stuck him in at centre - a position he'd never played in League. And it failed. And yet all these years later, they've made the same error with Sam Burgess. It's almost like a tacit admission that there are certain key roles in Rugby Union - mainly the forwards and halves - where only long experience can teach you the necessary 'skills', but that it's so important to sign all the best League players that room will be found for them somewhere, usually out on the flanks where they won't get in the way.

It's difficult to break down that mindset, especially when former RL players like Mike Ford and even Andy Farrell - people who are actually supposed to know - appear to typify it.

Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:51 pm  

Pemps wrote:

Robinson?

Good point. I should have my morning coffee before posting

[Pemps]

Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:02 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

Good point. I should have my morning coffee before posting

He is the only one though

Re: Bath Rugby Union raid Wigan academy : Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:23 pm  

Shontayne Hape? Didn't make the impression that Robinson did but played a few times for England ru.