Re: As you were........ : Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:06 am  

ChrisA wrote:

So you enjoy our style of rugby?

Not always mate, no. Did I enjoy the way we played at the start of the season? Yes. Did I enjoy the way we played v Salford in the CC semi final and again at home before Wembley? Yes. Did I enjoy the way we played against Saints away in the 8s? Yes.

I suppose I'm saying I think we are capable of far better than we dished up for the majority of last season and with better luck, we are capable of more consistency. I'm hoping anyway!!

Re: As you were........ : Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:35 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Not always mate, no. Did I enjoy the way we played at the start of the season? Yes. Did I enjoy the way we played v Salford in the CC semi final and again at home before Wembley? Yes. Did I enjoy the way we played against Saints away in the 8s? Yes.

I suppose I'm saying I think we are capable of far better than we dished up for the majority of last season and with better luck, we are capable of more consistency. I'm hoping anyway!!

Don't think anyone has anything against Wane but i think collectively we want to see :-

- His mates being dropped for poor performances
- Forwards who run hard metres
- That expansive play you speak of that we saw glimmers of on a regular basis
- Coaches to.... (well coach)
- A goal kicker
- No more 'jobs for the boys' If somebody wants to leave then let them go. No comebacks.

Re: As you were........ : Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:17 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Not always mate, no. Did I enjoy the way we played at the start of the season? Yes. Did I enjoy the way we played v Salford in the CC semi final and again at home before Wembley? Yes. Did I enjoy the way we played against Saints away in the 8s? Yes.

I suppose I'm saying I think we are capable of far better than we dished up for the majority of last season and with better luck, we are capable of more consistency. I'm hoping anyway!!

I've never questioned his heart or commitment and his record is very good. However nobody can deny that we have gradually got less and less entertaining.

People seem to forget the end of last season, and the players saying they just stopped playing how they had been and started the play a bit more off the cuff, even Tony Smith said they were ready for the well drilled predictable Wigan team, but they weren't ready for a team that threw the play book out of the window.

Opposing teams know exactly what we are going to do, the fans know what we are going to do. It's boring to watch and makes it hard to win games.

Do you honestly believe that Wane is capable of completely flipping all this on its head? There's a lot to fix if that team is to play to its full potential.

We have no creativity at all from two key positions, Mickey mack for all his heart and smash tactics, he isn't creative, neither is Powell. Then we have Tommy, who again was merely someone who played a catch and pass game.

We have forwards that are making no more than 6 carries a game, they aren't laying any kind of platform what so ever. They aren't winning any forward battles. I don't actually know what they offer other than defence.

Basically I find watching us predictable and boring, and I'm struggling to see how the current coach fixes that, considering he's the one who's coached it.

Re: As you were........ : Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:44 am  

ChrisA wrote:

I've never questioned his heart or commitment and his record is very good. However nobody can deny that we have gradually got less and less entertaining.

People seem to forget the end of last season, and the players saying they just stopped playing how they had been and started the play a bit more off the cuff, even Tony Smith said they were ready for the well drilled predictable Wigan team, but they weren't ready for a team that threw the play book out of the window.

Opposing teams know exactly what we are going to do, the fans know what we are going to do. It's boring to watch and makes it hard to win games.

Do you honestly believe that Wane is capable of completely flipping all this on its head? There's a lot to fix if that team is to play to its full potential.

We have no creativity at all from two key positions, Mickey mack for all his heart and smash tactics, he isn't creative, neither is Powell. Then we have Tommy, who again was merely someone who played a catch and pass game.

We have forwards that are making no more than 6 carries a game, they aren't laying any kind of platform what so ever. They aren't winning any forward battles. I don't actually know what they offer other than defence.

Basically I find watching us predictable and boring, and I'm struggling to see how the current coach fixes that, considering he's the one who's coached it.

I'm not arguing with any of that.

Re: As you were........ : Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:29 am  

ChrisA wrote:

I've never questioned his heart or commitment and his record is very good. However nobody can deny that we have gradually got less and less entertaining.

People seem to forget the end of last season, and the players saying they just stopped playing how they had been and started the play a bit more off the cuff, even Tony Smith said they were ready for the well drilled predictable Wigan team, but they weren't ready for a team that threw the play book out of the window.

Opposing teams know exactly what we are going to do, the fans know what we are going to do. It's boring to watch and makes it hard to win games.

Do you honestly believe that Wane is capable of completely flipping all this on its head? There's a lot to fix if that team is to play to its full potential.

We have no creativity at all from two key positions, Mickey mack for all his heart and smash tactics, he isn't creative, neither is Powell. Then we have Tommy, who again was merely someone who played a catch and pass game.

We have forwards that are making no more than 6 carries a game, they aren't laying any kind of platform what so ever. They aren't winning any forward battles. I don't actually know what they offer other than defence.

Basically I find watching us predictable and boring, and I'm struggling to see how the current coach fixes that, considering he's the one who's coached it.

We can see all of the above, the opposition coaches and players see it and act accordingly so please SW, throw it out of the window and start playing RL again, like in your first full season in charge

Re: As you were........ : Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:29 am  

We won the league by being boring, the D was solid and the team took their opportunities when it mattered. That was the formula, and at that time it worked well. However teams such as Castleford especially have played a style of rugby that is attractive and has given them an opportunity atleast of winning the Super League title.

Wigan need to start again and play a more expansive and attractive style of rugby, i believe that we have the players to do that,however i am not so sure wether Wane will let them off the leash as such. Its interesting to see how Super League has evolved this season, especially with Castleford, Wigan potentially could be in danger for falling away even further next season unless they change things up on the pitch atleast!

Re: As you were........ : Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:18 pm  

rsefitpro2017 wrote:

We won the league by being boring, the D was solid and the team took their opportunities when it mattered. That was the formula, and at that time it worked well. However teams such as Castleford especially have played a style of rugby that is attractive and has given them an opportunity atleast of winning the Super League title.

Wigan need to start again and play a more expansive and attractive style of rugby, i believe that we have the players to do that,however i am not so sure wether Wane will let them off the leash as such. Its interesting to see how Super League has evolved this season, especially with Castleford, Wigan potentially could be in danger for falling away even further next season unless they change things up on the pitch atleast!

It's a good point and one I've mentioned, this season a number of teams have improved with the ball and have played some good open rugby. We haven't, teams that have had to defend against the better attacking teams have probably found it much easier to play against us due to us being very predictable with the ball. Maybe we haven't gone backwards, but we have definitely stood still while the teams around us have adapted their attacking structures, the results are there for all to see. We are bland and unimaginative, whilst being boring to watch, it's also not enough to win games now, definitely not the big games.