Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:17 pm  

If I'd have been Farrell today and been told with 3mins left or whatever it was you're going on I'd have spent that time tying my laces and told Wane where to go at the end of it

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:59 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

If I'd have been Farrell today and been told with 3mins left or whatever it was you're going on I'd have spent that time tying my laces and told Wane where to go at the end of it

I thought it was more embarrassing for him to be brought on. Faz has too much class to kick up a fuss but if I were him I’d walk now and leave them to it.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:46 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

I thought it was more embarrassing for him to be brought on. Faz has too much class to kick up a fuss but if I were him I’d walk now and leave them to it.

Waney said that he apologised to Faz. What a sore looser Wolf is! They have been beaten by a better team two weeks running.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 2:35 am  

Very disappointed with Wane, apology or not. Absolutely inexcusable in my opinion. I'm not sure how this is going to sit well within the Wigan club. Disrespectful in the extreme.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:54 am  

Zig wrote:

Waney said that he apologised to Faz. What a sore looser Wolf is! They have been beaten by a better team two weeks running.

Sore loser? I suggest you read his comments back again from yesterday. Admitted England were much the better side and maturely refused to be drawn into Wane’s obsession with him with his childish comments.

After the first game he said the ruck was slow- a comment lots of SL coaches have made at various times. He also said the pitch was poor- it was.

At no point has he accused England of anything disrespectful and yet he easily could’ve made a point of Wane’s programme notes from the first game.

To describe a coach as “done ok” after winning x3 GF’s in a row, a CC and a LLS was pathetic.

There’s only one coach looking like an idiot at the end of this series regardless of results and it’s not Woolf.

It comes to something when Wigan fans are disappointed in him.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:58 am  

Kristian Woolf is absolutely right about the ruck. There's a huge difference between the two hemispheres and hopefully steps can be taken to speed it up in the off season (even if it means huge penalty counts in the opening rounds).

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:41 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Sore loser? I suggest you read his comments back again from yesterday. Admitted England were much the better side and maturely refused to be drawn into Wane’s obsession with him with his childish comments.

After the first game he said the ruck was slow- a comment lots of SL coaches have made at various times. He also said the pitch was poor- it was.

At no point has he accused England of anything disrespectful and yet he easily could’ve made a point of Wane’s programme notes from the first game.

To describe a coach as “done ok” after winning x3 GF’s in a row, a CC and a LLS was pathetic.

There’s only one coach looking like an idiot at the end of this series regardless of results and it’s not Woolf.

It comes to something when Wigan fans are disappointed in him.

If I remember rightly the pitch (even if it was not fit for test rugby) and the referee at Saints was the same for both sides, correct me if I am wrong. He made no comment about being outplayed and, dare I say it, outcoached.
However, I think that I have to cut him a bit of slack as it was his captain who added fuel to the fire when he said, "England did not win the opening Test, Tonga lost it". I do not recall either of them saying that England were the best side, but I am willing to be corrected.

He had to correct the record yesterday as England were clearly the best side in fact, Tonga have been very poor and one dimensional. Woolf's saints tactics have clearly had little impact. I do however agree about Waney's comments that Woolf has 'done ok' were also unwarranted.

Just to add, that I am not disappointed in Waney, he just loves to win.
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Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:46 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Kristian Woolf is absolutely right about the ruck. There's a huge difference between the two hemispheres and hopefully steps can be taken to speed it up in the off season (even if it means huge penalty counts in the opening rounds).

I agree about the ruck speed but I wonder why Woolf was not making an issue of it when he coached Saints? Answer, he like many other coaches adopted his tactics to suit how the game was refereed and the condition of the pitches they played on. He should have done his homework prior to the Test Series commencing.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 2:19 pm  

Saddened's partial view of the game:

As for England, I found myself not wanting them to win. Wane is such a unlikeable character and the team he's built is an absolute shambles. It's well coached, I'll give him that, the defense was solid and they did do enough to win. But the team selection is ridiculous, some players in there that have absolutely no right to be selected. Liam Farrell is one that stands out. He is so far passed it that it's ridiculous he's playing Super League, let alone being selected in the 17 for England. I've got tons of respect for him and he's been a Super League great, but he looks ill, he looks emaciated and he'd have been torn apart. Giving him 30 seconds prevented that, but I'm not sure what his 1 carry, 0 metres and 0 tackles stint did exactly, other than hand him a cap on his career record? I really hope that wasn't what that was about, but I suspect it was. Harry Smith is a player I've criticised a lot as he's such a limited player generally. He has absolutely no threat as an individual, but his kicking game was exceptional and probably the difference between the sides. His decision making and general direction of the play was great too and he was definitely the best of the 1,6,7. Clark again with another head scratching performance. I really don't know what England see in him, or why Saints decided it was a good idea to sign him. And then they brought Walker on and he's even worse. There are better hookers playing amateur level than him.

Now I am not saying that he is anti Wigan or Wire. I think he needs to be promoted to be Woolf's assistant

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:17 pm  

Zig wrote:

If I remember rightly the pitch (even if it was not fit for test rugby) and the referee at Saints was the same for both sides, correct me if I am wrong. He made no comment about being outplayed and, dare I say it, outcoached.
However, I think that I have to cut him a bit of slack as it was his captain who added fuel to the fire when he said, "England did not win the opening Test, Tonga lost it". I do not recall either of them saying that England were the best side, but I am willing to be corrected.

He had to correct the record yesterday as England were clearly the best side in fact, Tonga have been very poor and one dimensional. Woolf's saints tactics have clearly had little impact. I do however agree about Waney's comments that Woolf has 'done ok' were also unwarranted.

Just to add, that I am not disappointed in Waney, he just loves to win.
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Same here