: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:36 pm  

jonh wrote:

Fair play to you, you are of course entitled to your opinion, may i ask why you think i have confirmed it with this post?

You think you know better then the Wigan club and the most successful British coach in super league. If you were any good at coaching a team you would have one of the top jobs in Super League.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:37 pm  

jonh wrote:

Friday i will not be attending the game.

To answer the rest of your post i do not really cheer, i applaud good play from both sides, whoever is playing, and i certainly do not boo.

What this has to do with anything i do not know.

When you make a post like this your morals will get questioned. Deep-down I knew you won't be attending though.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:38 pm  

Andy Greg wrote:

You think you know better then the Wigan club and the most successful British coach in super league. If you were any good at coaching a team you would have one of the top jobs in Super League.

So do you agree with everything that has ever happened in pro rugby?

Do you agree with everything Brian Noble has done at his time in Wigan?

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:42 pm  

RB wrote:

When you make a post like this your morals will get questioned. Deep-down I knew you won't be attending though.

Why are my morals in question because i will not be attending on Friday? If i sacrificed my family and work comittments for a rugby match then surely there would be more need to question my morals.

If you have an issue with my stance take it up with reasoned debate and valid debate rather than simply trying to have a pop by attempting to slate me personally.

Will i be watching the game in full on DVD over the weekend that follows the fixture. Yes.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:49 pm  

jonh wrote:

So do you agree with everything that has ever happened in pro rugby?

Do you agree with everything Brian Noble has done at his time in Wigan?

I dont agree with everything that has happed but i do not have control of the RFL their are people put in positions to make decisions and we must all abide by them winging on here will make no difference to the RFL.

As for Nobby well he has made mistakes we all do but he is paid to do a job and he has not done to badly over that last 3 years saved us from relegation and got us to within 80 mins of Old Trafford for the last 2 years thats not that bad is it. We have played 2 games in 2009 its a long season see where we end up at the end of it.

If you think you can do a better job then take up a coaching job within the prop game and see how well you can do.

I know you don't like Nobbys methods but he is the man in charge and until such time your as successful don't knock him back him and the club.

[DaveO]

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:50 pm  

RB wrote:

How would you sum up his efforts in those 2 and a half seasons?

Not good enough.

Dave

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:53 pm  

Andy Greg wrote:

I dont agree with everything that has happed but i do not have control of the RFL their are people put in positions to make decisions and we must all abide by them winging on here will make no difference to the RFL.

As for Nobby well he has made mistakes we all do but he is paid to do a job and he has not done to badly over that last 3 years saved us from relegation and got us to within 80 mins of Old Trafford for the last 2 years thats not that bad is it. We have played 2 games in 2009 its a long season see where we end up at the end of it.

If you think you can do a better job then take up a coaching job within the prop game and see how well you can do.

I know you don't like Nobbys methods but he is the man in charge and until such time your as successful don't knock him back him and the club.

So you do disagree with some of the decisions made by the pro's yet criticise me for doing the same? Interesting.

If you are happy with the last 2 years fair play, i am not people have different standards and opinions.

Did you back Millward until he was replaced?

[DaveO]

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:03 am  

warriorweed wrote:

I hope we don't lose 10 matches this year and I agree that a side losing this many games doesn't deserve to be called champions, but it doesn't take away the fact that under the new play off system this year they will have a shot at the final more so than in years gone by.

And? Getting a shot at a final because the rules are as they are shows us to be a good side does it? The answer is no it doesn't.

Are you seriously clinging onto the fact we have a play off system that means you can be a poor side and still get in them means.... well what does it mean? I am blow'ed if I know.

I was using the Saints analysis to prove a point. Wigan won the Grand Final in 1998, the year after the coach got sacked. They got to grand finals in 2000 and 2001 and the year after both coaches didn't see out the season - my point is that the club and the fans have been too fickle in the past to get rid and this has de stabilised the club.

Your Saints point doesn't prove anything. Are you seriously telling me you can't see the difference between that Saints side and us?

Granted he has had 2 and a bit years already,during that time the club has changed from top to bottom. Additionally, look at the key positions in the side i.e. 6 and 7 and 9, compare our players with those at Leeds and Saints. Ours is a new partnership for the umpteenth season running theirs are settled and know each other inside out. Get a bit of consistency and the results will come.

The team is playing the most boring one dimensional rugby I have ever seen a Wigan side play. It did similar in 2007, it did it in 2008 and it has started 2009 the same way. The buck stops with the coach for this. Other teams have new players and Wakefield had half a team missing. We didn't. Ours may have new players but Noble could not get a virtually first choice side up to beat an injury ravaged side who had never played one game together as a team. How on earth does a new 6, 7 and 9 compare to what Wakefield put out? It doesn't.

Dave

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:06 am  

RB wrote:

Jonh, on Friday will you

Sit with home fans and reluctantly cheer on Castleford
Sit with away fans and cheer on Castleford
Sit with home fans and boo the Wigan team at every opportunity
Sit with home fans and cheer on Wigan despite this thread
Not attend the game at all

not everybody can get to games, but when they do I cheer my home team, I want them to win, I never boo my side if thy play bad, I can enjoy a game we lose seeing better rugby played than us and appreciate that we have to step another level, you think that I'm not competitive

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:15 am  

I have seen some people relate the position of Noble to that of Alex Furguson at Man United in the 80's. Regards the ego issue, what did he do whenever and ego in his changing room looked to upset the balance of the team, see Paul Ince. Regardless of how good he was he got rid.

When ego's looked to start getting in the way he took action, see Beckam, Giggs, Scholes and Sharpe.

Our coach seems happy to throw out the excuse to the press players have ego's and agendas, but unable to, or unwilling to do anything about it.

Why is this the case?