: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:06 pm  

jonh wrote:

If the players are not doing what they are told who is to blame for this, if it was a one off then fair play the finger can be pointed directly at the players, if though on the other hand it is the case that good performances with the aspects discussed are a one off then the finger has to point towards the coach.

If he is sending them out with a game plan that they are not able to follow, then again you have to look at his failure to get the message across if it occurs on multiple occasions.

Coaching is not just about knowledge it is about comunicating that knowledge which if the players consistently fail to carry out what he thinks he is putting to them then that is a reflection of the failure on the coaches behalf.

In simple terms if i get my secutary at work to make me a cup of Tea but she brings me a coffee then 1 off i can say she made an error and i deal with it. If over the course of 10 days i ask for a cup of tea and on 8 occasions she brings me coffee, i have to start questioning myself and looking at what exactly I am doing wrong for her to fail in such a simple task. Random use of a situation, especially given i drink neither tea or coffee, but i think it gets the point across hopefully.

The problem Nobby has is that he can't get a new secretary but has to hope the one day the message gets through! On the face of Saturday's performance you could argue that it has but, as you say, It's all about how we kick on from here.

Re the current team selection if feel he has stumbled upon it to some extent but so what? The biggest factor for me was Piggy actually playing to something like the standard I expected of him. If anyone thought he had gone OK previously they must have needed the tissues on Saturday!

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:12 pm  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

The problem Nobby has is that he can't get a new secretary but has to hope the one day the message gets through! On the face of Saturday's performance you could argue that it has but, as you say, It's all about how we kick on from here.

Re the current team selection if feel he has stumbled upon it to some extent but so what? The biggest factor for me was Piggy actually playing to something like the standard I expected of him. If anyone thought he had gone OK previously they must have needed the tissues on Saturday!

Exactly so the point is he has to look at himself and work on getting the message over, he can do this.

This has been my major issue with Noble his seemingly lack of ability to evolve, i think at half time vs Quins he had no choice or he would have been out on his ear, which may explain the change in ethos from that point on.

As i said i find it odd the players are a waist of space in some peoples eyes with poor skills etc etc when we are losing but Noble suddenly becomes a coaching guru and takes all the credit when we put in 1 good performance.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:13 pm  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

The problem Nobby has is that he can't get a new secretary but has to hope the one day the message gets through! On the face of Saturday's performance you could argue that it has but, as you say, It's all about how we kick on from here.

Re the current team selection if feel he has stumbled upon it to some extent but so what? The biggest factor for me was Piggy actually playing to something like the standard I expected of him. If anyone thought he had gone OK previously they must have needed the tissues on Saturday!

If the pigster continues to play like that, he'll have settled in much more quickly than most other overseas players do.

The immediate writing-off of Mark Riddell was ridiculous. I myself was guilty of this, but others - on this board and others - were positively euphoric about his poor form, hinting, yet again, at hidden agendas.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:20 pm  

diesel wrote:

The highlighted bit is a little rich coming from you......

The reason i ask are you numb is because you have totally missed the point of the original post despite being told time and time again that the original post was aimed at Jonh/DaveO and all the bandwagon jumpers who keep churning out the same old tripe that Noble cannot coach anything but 5 drives and a kick. Is that really so hard to understand?

diesel wrote:

So you assume I think the way the team played on friday had nothing to do with noble (now who's numb!)

Where have i ever stated that you think Fridays performance had nothing to do with Noble? If you think it did then i take it you agree then that Noble can coach more than just 5 drives and a kick?

diesel wrote:

But you choose to ignore that after one good game...

I choose to ignore nothing. I agree we have to back Fridays performance up and be more consistant but then again i fail to see where i have ever stated we dont so i dont see what your argument is. The only thing i have done is pointed out that Fridays performance shows Noble can coach the kind of performance that Jonh and others said he couldnt.

diesel wrote:

You also "imagine" I was one of the people who blasted lindsay for sacking coaches not so...

You didnt blast Lindsay for sacking coaches? I take it you think it was a good idea to keep sacking them then?

diesel wrote:

I once asked you who signed this team of wasters as you called them..only to be told that didn't matter (well you would not want to put noble in a position he has to answer for.....no doubt you blame IL for the likes of phelps and mathers).

When did i ever say it didnt matter who signed the players? I may of said i dont know who signed them but i never stated it did not matter. Just for the record though, i do not know who signed the players,there are rumours Noble wanted x player and Lenegan got him y player but they are just rumours. Again i fail to see what your point is by bringing this up anyway.

diesel wrote:

By the way I've never gone on about noble not being able to coach anything but 5 drives and a kick-a theory...

Then why do you feel the need to post in this thread? I take it you agree Noble can coach more than just 5 drives and a kick?

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:28 pm  

jonh wrote:

I would also add to this there seemed to be some indication from AJ, RHJ and Brett that Noble was not "forced" to drop Smith.

Who exactly forced Noble to drop Smith,please tell us? The same person who forced him to drop Coley,Mathers (after his ban) and Goulding? Was it the force of dark energy from a far away galaxy that forced him to drop these players?

And just to set the record straight we argued more that he was not forced to play the kids. He could quite easily of moved O'Loughlin to stand off to replace Smith if as the majority say he will not play young British players.

There is simply no argument,Noble has given the kids a chance when the oppurtunity has presented itself and they have taken it and he has rewarded them by keeping them in the first team. End of chat.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:31 pm  

Red Hot Jalapeno wrote:

Who exactly forced Noble to drop Smith,please tell us? The same person who forced him to drop Coley,Mathers (after his ban) and Goulding? Was it the force of dark energy from a far away galaxy that forced him to drop these players?

And just to set the record straight we argued more that he was not forced to play the kids. He could quite easily of moved O'Loughlin to stand off to replace Smith if as the majority say he will not play young British players.

There is simply no argument,Noble has given the kids a chance when the oppurtunity has presented itself and they have taken it and he has rewarded them by keeping them in the first team. End of chat.

Can I hold you to that?

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:35 pm  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

Can I hold you to that?

For the time being

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:37 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

If the pigster continues to play like that, he'll have settled in much more quickly than most other overseas players do.

The immediate writing-off of Mark Riddell was ridiculous. I myself was guilty of this, but others - on this board and others - were positively euphoric about his poor form, hinting, yet again, at hidden agendas.

Maybe this was some sort of hangover from Micky higham being allowed to leave when many felt he was a very good player for us.

I for one hadn't seen that much of piggy before he came so chose to reserve judgement.

I think we all want Wigan to turn into a side that is mainly made up of wigan youth, which has a few antipodeans to add that extra class, a team that is based on form. enjoyable open rugby(as we all want to be entertained), stop giving penalties away consistently and dropping the ball. All these factors will appease the many fans..and ultimately give us a chance a winning more matches.

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:53 pm  

jonh wrote:

I would also add to this there seemed to be some indication from AJ, RHJ and Brett that Noble was not "forced" to drop Smith, when there are some mutterings that suggest he was, something i was not aware of but something i asked a few people about after getting a PM on here, and there certainly seems to be some substance to it, from people closer to the club than me.

Not for a second saying it is 100% true as the people i asked are more fellow players who are friends of or once played at Wigan, with no direct link to Wigan if you like anymore, but it is another potentially very interesting twist, that may come out in time.

Related to what?!

: Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:10 pm  

Red Hot Jalapeno wrote:

The reason i ask are you numb is because you have totally missed the point of the original post despite being told time and time again that the original post was aimed at Jonh/DaveO and all the bandwagon jumpers who keep churning out the same old tripe that Noble cannot coach anything but 5 drives and a kick. Is that really so hard to understand?



Where have i ever stated that you think Fridays performance had nothing to do with Noble? If you think it did then i take it you agree then that Noble can coach more than just 5 drives and a kick?



I choose to ignore nothing. I agree we have to back Fridays performance up and be more consistant but then again i fail to see where i have ever stated we dont so i dont see what your argument is. The only thing i have done is pointed out that Fridays performance shows Noble can coach the kind of performance that Jonh and others said he couldnt.



You didnt blast Lindsay for sacking coaches? I take it you think it was a good idea to keep sacking them then?



When did i ever say it didnt matter who signed the players? I may of said i dont know who signed them but i never stated it did not matter. Just for the record though, i do not know who signed the players,there are rumours Noble wanted x player and Lenegan got him y player but they are just rumours. Again i fail to see what your point is by bringing this up anyway.



Then why do you feel the need to post in this thread? I take it you agree Noble can coach more than just 5 drives and a kick?

As you say friday proved that wigan can play more than 5 drives and a kick..I agree..but it's only one game..we need to do it a lot more often...time will tell..to be fair to others..how many games have wigan under noble played like this? (I suggest not many) if noble is as good as you think I assume we can expect more of the same.