Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:14 am  

100% Warrior wrote:

What I generally find is on Twitter/Facebook the loud minority will speak up, generally those from the right leaning tendencies who get angry if England is mentioned last when listing the home nations.

The silent majority meanwhile completely agree that it’s despicable and is very serious. The problem is is when they call out the loud minority they’re piled on and called leftie snowflakes which is in itself ironic as the ones being the snowflakes are the ones throwing the insult around.

Most Wigan fans will agree is abhorrent and has no place in our game.

This is so true.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:29 am  

CobraCraig wrote:

It could be one of a few things, he may have been contemplating whether to report it or not and took his time to make the decision? He could have also been racking it in his brain exactly what Clubb said and making sure he heard it correctly?

For me it probably makes it worse for Clubb, I doubt Savelio would say it if not true but you would expect a false allegation to be made in the heat of the moment not 20 minutes later.

Be interesting to see what Clubb says, I will think more of him if he comes out, admits it and apologises and takes the rap. I think you have to take into account the circumstances, they were rearing up face to face in the midst of battle, Is it worse than punching him? The law certainly doesn’t class it as.

I’m not at all trying to defend him and say it shouldn’t be punished like some but I don’t think he’s quite the KKK member some people on social media are making out. I also think a lot of Wigan fans are using it as a convenient excuse to ask for him to be sacked as he offers nothing on the pitch (I’m not sure how he makes the team personally?) but I doubt that would be the case if it was one of our better performers imo.

I think your right, about the player involved. Would they call for others to be sacked. From experience when racist abuse is targeted using a prefix eg you @#££ c..t it is dealt with more severely. For what it’s worth Savelio did the right thing reporting during the game, it couldn’t have been an easy decision for him.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:37 am  

CobraCraig wrote:

It could be one of a few things, he may have been contemplating whether to report it or not and took his time to make the decision? He could have also been racking it in his brain exactly what Clubb said and making sure he heard it correctly?

For me it probably makes it worse for Clubb, I doubt Savelio would say it if not true but you would expect a false allegation to be made in the heat of the moment not 20 minutes later.

Be interesting to see what Clubb says, I will think more of him if he comes out, admits it and apologises and takes the rap. I think you have to take into account the circumstances, they were rearing up face to face in the midst of battle, Is it worse than punching him? The law certainly doesn’t class it as.

I’m not at all trying to defend him and say it shouldn’t be punished like some but I don’t think he’s quite the KKK member some people on social media are making out. I also think a lot of Wigan fans are using it as a convenient excuse to ask for him to be sacked as he offers nothing on the pitch (I’m not sure how he makes the team personally?) but I doubt that would be the case if it was one of our better performers imo.

I agree with all of that. Anyone trying to turn a bit of the blame back on to Savelio for not reporting it straight away is really missing the point. As you say, he might have been taking his time to think about it. He might have been trying to put it to the back of his mind to concentrate on playing. He might have just mentioned it to a team mate who encouraged him to report it. Savelio is well within his rights to report it whenever he wants.

Even if he did say say it though I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean he hates Polynesians. He's said something offensive in the heat of battle. Worse things happen all the time. I just hope that he's a big man about it and comes out and apologises to Savelio and all the other Polynesian players for his ignorant and offensive insult.

If Clubb plays next week I imagine he will be in for some serious punishment from Hull's Polynesian contingent. Wouldn't surprise me if he's left out of the firing line.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:53 am  

Grimmy wrote:

I hope the racist allegation isn't true. Some of our fans really aren't showing us in a good light when discussing it on social media. A racial insult really isn't on a par with calling someone a cockney or the like.

He’ll get what’s coming to him and rightfully so. The world is hot on absolutely any form of racism at the minute. These things don’t have sliding scales of offensiveness, so he’ll be judged in the same way if he’d racially abused a black or Asian player. I wouldn’t sit in a group who’d say it’s like calling him a lazy, useless, cockney **** but we do have double standards as a society when it comes to things like this. Had Clubb done it to Josh Reynolds next week instead and called him an Aussie so and so or to Regan Grace and called him a Welsh one, we wouldn’t bat an eyelid. I’m not sure that’s right but it’s the world we live in right now and players should know better.

I really do hope Clubb comes out and just owns up to it (presuming he’s said it) and takes what’s coming. He’ll get an inflated punishment in the current climate and be made an example of and he’s only himself to blame.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:14 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

He’ll get what’s coming to him and rightfully so. The world is hot on absolutely any form of racism at the minute. These things don’t have sliding scales of offensiveness, so he’ll be judged in the same way if he’d racially abused a black or Asian player. I wouldn’t sit in a group who’d say it’s like calling him a lazy, useless, cockney **** but we do have double standards as a society when it comes to things like this. Had Clubb done it to Josh Reynolds next week instead and called him an Aussie so and so or to Regan Grace and called him a Welsh one, we wouldn’t bat an eyelid. I’m not sure that’s right but it’s the world we live in right now and players should know better.

I really do hope Clubb comes out and just owns up to it (presuming he’s said it) and takes what’s coming. He’ll get an inflated punishment in the current climate and be made an example of and he’s only himself to blame.

But xenophobic abuse seems widely accepted on the whole, racial abuse certainly not. If he called Grace a b***k c**t it would definitely get at least the same reaction, probably worse. And vice versa if he’d have called Savelio a Kiwi c**t or Wire c**t it probably wouldn’t be viewed the same and probably not reported,

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:25 am  

Hope it isn't true about Clubb. It would be a sad end to his Wigan career but I would be more disappointed about the fixture of Wigan vs Hull. I always enjoy playing Hull because their club and fans have that bit of class about them the likes of Warrington, Saints and Hulls neighbours have.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:32 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

He’ll get what’s coming to him and rightfully so. The world is hot on absolutely any form of racism at the minute. These things don’t have sliding scales of offensiveness, so he’ll be judged in the same way if he’d racially abused a black or Asian player. I wouldn’t sit in a group who’d say it’s like calling him a lazy, useless, cockney **** but we do have double standards as a society when it comes to things like this. Had Clubb done it to Josh Reynolds next week instead and called him an Aussie so and so or to Regan Grace and called him a Welsh one, we wouldn’t bat an eyelid. I’m not sure that’s right but it’s the world we live in right now and players should know better.

I really do hope Clubb comes out and just owns up to it (presuming he’s said it) and takes what’s coming. He’ll get an inflated punishment in the current climate and be made an example of and he’s only himself to blame.

I think what people miss is the context behind it. To my knowledge people haven't been enslaved, treated as second class citizens, lynched etc due to being Welsh, Australian etc. They have due to being Polynesian, and those people are still suffering the effects of that today in terms of economics, land rights, the way they are treated at times. That's why a white British guy using Polynesian as part of an insult is worse than using Welsh or Aussie as part of an insult.

If Clubb said what he is alleged to have, he probably hasn't thought about all that, but he needs to be educated, apologise and have some level of punishment. I'm not really of the opinion that he should be sacked for it (if true) if he is willing to apologise and be educated. It still sticks in my craw that Hardaker publicly agreed to go on a homophobia course after what he said, then he didn't turn up (which never made the news).

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:12 am  

Grimmy wrote:

I think what people miss is the context behind it. To my knowledge people haven't been enslaved, treated as second class citizens, lynched etc due to being Welsh, Australian etc. They have due to being Polynesian, and those people are still suffering the effects of that today in terms of economics, land rights, the way they are treated at times. That's why a white British guy using Polynesian as part of an insult is worse than using Welsh or Aussie as part of an insult.

If Clubb said what he is alleged to have, he probably hasn't thought about all that, but he needs to be educated, apologise and have some level of punishment. I'm not really of the opinion that he should be sacked for it (if true) if he is willing to apologise and be educated. It still sticks in my craw that Hardaker publicly agreed to go on a homophobia course after what he said, then he didn't turn up (which never made the news).

I get it, I really do but I don’t think Clubb has gone in to that level of detail in his thinking. He’ll get what is coming and that is right and proper. Education is exactly what is needed across the board and right from school age. We could sit and go through history and find examples of many races of people being oppressed/enslaved, yet if you called somebody a ‘ insert nation/race/religion c*nt’ it wouldn’t be an issue. Anyway, that’s for another forum and doesn’t make what Clubb seems to have done right. There are double standards but it doesn’t defend somebody who is in the wrong and he is very much in the wrong.

The main thing I want to see is him take ownership for it (presuming he is guilty).

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:14 am  

Clubb could have an almost impossible job defending this.
It did seem on the end of verbals between both players. On the SKY replay Clubb is walking away from Savelio and then turns back towards him. So why did he turn back? Clubb's version of events will be interesting.
If it was in isolation then he's in a whole load of trouble.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:20 am  

Father Ted wrote:

Clubb could have an almost impossible job defending this.
It did seem on the end of verbals between both players. On the SKY replay Clubb is walking away from Savelio and then turns back towards him. So why did he turn back? Clubb's version of events will be interesting.
If it was in isolation then he's in a whole load of trouble.

It could be one of those "two wrongs don't make a right" moments.

Savelio has obviously said something to him, but whatever that is it won't make what Clubb has allegedly said right and he should still be punished if he has said it.