Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:35 am  

KPP talked about how his lack of preseason because of the World Cup really affected his form, and his 8 week injury allowed him to get into really good shape.

As Jonh says it could be the same for Byrne.

If we let him go pretty much every super league team would be after him given the lack of English props going.

Keep him and keep developing him IMO. He’s going to be at least our 4th prop next year so not under as much pressure.

Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:44 am  

DannyT wrote:

Give Hill more minutes now we have Dupree. I’d rather invest in his development than Byrne’s who has never shown any form of dominance of a number of games in his career. He should be the next out of the door like Partington was.

I went watching the TAG rugby after the Leigh game, some of the squad players were doing some training with Leuluai on the track, Hill was there and he looks a similar build to Partington, I wouldn't be moving Byrne on in the hope that Hill breaks through next season.

Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:48 am  

NSW wrote:

KPP talked about how his lack of preseason because of the World Cup really affected his form, and his 8 week injury allowed him to get into really good shape.

As Jonh says it could be the same for Byrne.

If we let him go pretty much every super league team would be after him given the lack of English props going.

Keep him and keep developing him IMO. He’s going to be at least our 4th prop next year so not under as much pressure.

Completely agree with this. It would be foolish to let Byrne go, especially after the season he had last year. I've been really disappointed with his performances this year but it doesn't mean I'd get rid. He's only 23/24 so still plenty time to turn it around. If he doesn't kick on next year then maybe a move away maybe the best for him but we'll see.
He's had a lot of pressure on his shoulders this season due to Cooper being injured alongside Havard and Ellis dropping in and out of the side. A full preseason and playing in a better pack next year will help him massively.

Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:13 am  

Zig wrote:

Exactly. It is the penalty that Faz gave away that annoyed me.

The penalty when he gave Hardaker a slap on the head?
Think he retaliated to Hardaker grabbing his b@lls or, at least, giving them a sneaky flick.

Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:42 am  

Ovavoo wrote:

The penalty when he gave Hardaker a slap on the head?
Think he retaliated to Hardaker grabbing his b@lls or, at least, giving them a sneaky flick.

Still not good enough.

Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:44 am  

jonh wrote:

I personally don’t get the clamour to move Liam Byrne on. I think he is doing a solid job and went well on the weekend.

His development hasn’t moved on as much as I expected this year but let’s not forget he is still very young in Prop terms and also had a vastly reduced off season due to his involvement in the World Cup.

If we were to let him go at this stage I’m certain we would come to regret it in a couple of seasons time.

Absolutely correct. He won't be costing the earth and he's having his first real blip, in a young career, playing in possibly the toughest position on the field for younger players. If you're going to bring young prop forwards through and support them through the ups and downs, around the ages of 20-24, you then want to reap the benefits of them coming in to their prime. The only thing Byrne should not be IMO is a guaranteed starter but his place in the squad should be safe. The squad hasn't been strong enough to push him for his place but it should be going forward and he will need to produce the goods to get a place in the 17.

Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:47 am  

Zig wrote:

Still not good enough.

Why isn't it? It was a nothing slap and very over zealous by the [insert expletive] with the whistle.

What's not good enough is that any type of biff has been taken out of the game. Wigan Vs Leigh, there should be some tension and rough play.

Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:58 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Why isn't it? It was a nothing slap and very over zealous by the [insert expletive] with the whistle.

What's not good enough is that any type of biff has been taken out of the game. Wigan Vs Leigh, there should be some tension and rough play.

It’s not good enough because it was extremely unprofessional and lead to a try.

As captain he needed to do better in that situation.

This isn’t park rugby on a Saturday afternoon in front of 20 blokes and a couple of dogs.

This is the elite level of the sport and he broke the rules of the game (regardless of what yours or my personal feelings are about them) in a blatant way, even worse it was late in the tackle count I believe.

Luckily it is an isolated incident and seems very out of character for a usually very level headed player.

Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:29 am  

jonh wrote:

I personally don’t get the clamour to move Liam Byrne on. I think he is doing a solid job and went well on the weekend.

His development hasn’t moved on as much as I expected this year but let’s not forget he is still very young in Prop terms and also had a vastly reduced off season due to his involvement in the World Cup.

If we were to let him go at this stage I’m certain we would come to regret it in a couple of seasons time.

Way too early to be talking about letting him go. He just needs taking out of the firing line for a couple of weeks to recharge and I reckon we'll start seeing the best of him. We've been saying how we've been suffering for having had too much disruption to the pack this season; well he's probably suffered more than most as he's been one of the few constants. Put him in with Havard, Ellis and Dupree after a bit of a rest and I'm sure he'll come good.

Re: Squad for Leigh : Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:59 pm  

stpatricks wrote:

I went watching the TAG rugby after the Leigh game, some of the squad players were doing some training with Leuluai on the track, Hill was there and he looks a similar build to Partington, I wouldn't be moving Byrne on in the hope that Hill breaks through next season.

He’s much bigger than Oli.