: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:55 pm  

WigansForeignLegion wrote:

Appreciate what you are saying but you are asking that fans give unquestioning support and blind loyalty irrespective or, in short, to be sheep.

I agree that when the chips are down you all need to get behind the club; however, we're not in that situation. This is about healthy debate about what we feel is the best overall for the club; Jon should no more apply for Nobby's job than those who give unquestioning support should go into a field and eat grass.

This comes down to two things:

Jon - Correct me is I'm wrong - believes Noble's taken the club as far as he can and it's time for a change. He's not the only one that believes this.

Andy - Correct me is I'm wrong - you appear to trust the club's management completely and will let what will be will be and we should trust them or find another club.

Personally I'd like Noble to go to be replaced by Lam and a support team of his choosing, ideally including Wane & Farrell (when he can secure release from his Union contract). I'd rather this change take place sooner rather than later so the new coach can come in and assess the playing staff before the end of the season; that way he can have a better idea of what the club needs.

Or who IL allows them to sign !!

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:10 pm  

twosevenzero wrote:

Or who IL allows them to sign !!

Well yes but that's the same at any club, there's always a bean counter holding the purse-strings, in our case it's the Chair.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:12 pm  

WigansForeignLegion wrote:

Well yes but that's the same at any club, there's always a bean counter holding the purse-strings, in our case it's the Chair.

But what if the 'bean counter' is deciding who we sign not the coach.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:16 pm  

diesel wrote:

You stated you suppored millward in his stay here..."if" we had got relegated would you have still supported him? or called for his head ?(serious question)..while I want wigan to win..I don't think I could support a coach I had no faith in (millward being a prime example)..I support the club but sometimes as with all things in life..you have to do what you think is best..and I don't mean booing the team (though I understand why some do) I don't think noble will take us any further (though I will be happy if he proves me wrong)..I can see where jonh is coming from..he wants the best for the club as do we all....but unless noble changes his style of play..we will either die of boredom or think (more so as times are hard now) of better ways of spending our money...all I ask of my team is to entertain me if we lose and it's been a good game I can live with that..after all thats what we pay for..now we have to see if they can deliver that.

you have hit the nail on the head, times are getting harder and people want good value for money, as i stated in a previous post i think we are one of the most boring teams in super league.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:19 pm  

twosevenzero wrote:

But what if the 'bean counter' is deciding who we sign not the coach.

The bean counter will ultimately decide; a coach puts forward a 'wanted' list in priority based on the financial constraints of the club. The bean counter and the coach discuss the proposal and then the club makes its attempts to sign the players within agreed pricing parameters and in away that will not breach the salary cap.

Of course, if you mean the bean counter signs players without prior suggestion/approval from the coach then you have a more serious situation...

Re: Come on Cas! : Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:23 pm  

jonh wrote:

Shock horror, unable to answer the question.

Speaking of which you failed to answer my question. Why are you not coaching? Serious question. You have done nothing for over a year but hammer Brian Noble in nearly every single post. You claim to know everything about coaching so why dont you send your CV in to Ian Lenegan and lets see you take charge.

You claim that Ellery Hanley is some kind of master coach yet i fail to see SL clubs queueing up for him. Im pretty sure if Noble was sacked at Wigan he would get a job easy enough elsewhere as soon as a vacancy came along and he wouldnt end up coaching an team in NL1/2.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:24 pm  

WigansForeignLegion wrote:

The bean counter will ultimately decide; a coach puts forward a 'wanted' list in priority based on the financial constraints of the club. The bean counter and the coach discuss the proposal and then the club makes its attempts to sign the players within agreed pricing parameters and in away that will not breach the salary cap.

Of course, if you mean the bean counter signs players without prior suggestion/approval from the coach then you have a more serious situation...

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That I believe is what happens at Wigan.....e.g. Riddell

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:30 pm  

WigansForeignLegion wrote:

Appreciate what you are saying but you are asking that fans give unquestioning support and blind loyalty irrespective or, in short, to be sheep.
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My original point is that none of the supporters should wish for Cas to beat Wigan on Friday which is what Jon was saying and we don't need supporters that think like that.

We can all ask questions and say what we would do but to say 2 games into a season that you hope we get beat so Nobby go's is not a logical remark to make.

He might have taken the club as far as he can i personally don't think that is the case and do feel we will get to if not win a final this year.

And if Nobby should go who would replace him what British coaches have we that are better? Edwards has no coaching experience in coaching in Super League and i don't think he is ready to come back to Wigan until his son is older but when the time comes i would love to see him back home. That means an overseas coach and who is available? all the best ones are with NRL clubs. So lets stick with what we have for now and if we are not doing well towards the end of the season then it time to not renew his contract and replace him now is not the time.

And thats my last post on this subject for now lets see where we are at the end of round 14.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:05 pm  

twosevenzero wrote:

That I believe is what happens at Wigan.....e.g. Riddell

If true we are on the road the nowhere.

I would have thought that Lydon(before he left) & Noble would identify who they want and Lenagan would go out and get them, but then again!!!!

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:14 pm  

windy wrote:

If true we are on the road the nowhere.I would have thought that Lydon(before he left) & Noble would identify who they want and Lenagan would go out and get them, but then again!!!!

Noble didn't sign (want) Riddell, it was IL.