Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:27 pm  

Seriously....

This thread has become a "my interpretation is better than yours" thread.

that Torres fella got an 8 match ban for calling someone a Negrito, or Black Man (translated), the man was Black! Just because the FA has been pre-conditioned to understand Negro as a racist term, by using his own language he's been punished.

Once upon a time, if you were to look at someone with Cerebal Palsey and call them a Spastic, you'd be right. Not now though, it's a derogatory term.

People look at people from Wigan and say they all eat pies, when in truth, the term Pie Eater has nothing to do with eating Pies.

So, the term Ultras is just a word, and I have no doubt that when the Ultras tag was adopted in Europe it was a term used to describe someone who is devout about their support, but through the stupidity of European Football fans, the term is pre-conceived as a description of hooligan groups.

Now when you go on holiday to spain and ask for Te-de-negro (Black Tea), do you feel guilty? Do you feel like you've just insulted the guy who's asked you what he can get for you? Strongly doubt it. But if you said to a Black guy in the UK "You're a Negro" he'd probably smack you in the mouth.

So, let's scrap these stereotypes and pre-conceptions of what a word means. The Brigantes (Wigan Rugby Ultras) support their club as fanatically as they can, they're not violent, they're not hooligans. If you want to judge them as such, then so be it, but don't be suprised when the people you tarnish get slightly annoyed at it.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:37 pm  

The brigantes group or whatever they are is not my cup of tea but if it makes people happy and they do no harm i aint got a problem with it

We all know it wasn't the main group who post on here cause they seem like a good bunch but if little **** trying dragging them down doing this sort of thing they dont just need banning they need a good slap or chucked in canal

I am going to be bringing my niece to some games this year who is 2 i dont want her to see this **** going on WE ARE NOT FOOTBALL

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:48 pm  

onedego wrote:

Brett, I understand completely, the sound of the drum annoys you. Perhaps you jump and spill your coffee at that first thump, I really dont know what your reasoning is, or see a requirement to know.

What I will say is that if you listen to any peice of music you will hear a beat behind it. Okay, so sometimes this isn't obvious, but I promise you, it's always there.

Now if you take a metronome to a stadium with 25'000 people stood in it, and use it to try to obtain rythmn, you're going to end up with the ripple effect. I sing one line at the back of the south stand, and 30/60 seconds later, steve up the top end of the east stand starts singing the same line, and you end up with an inaudiable ripple. Uncoordinated noise.

If you listen to the drum, and the sound created by the Brigantes, and the rest of the Wigan fans (as has been the case with Cherry And White), the drum coordinates the sound, so in one enormous pulse you hear CHERRY AND WHITE, and not ch-ch-ch-eh-eh-eh-rr-rr-rr-rr-ee-ee-ee aa-aa-aa-nn-nn-nn-dd-dd-dd wh-wh-wh-ii-ii-ii-tt-tt-tt....

So is a drum neccessary? If you can find a more effective way of controlling the beat and tempo of a song, please suggest it. I'm sure the music industry as a whole would be interested to read of your findings.

And what if I perceive the rythmic beating of a drum to detract from my enjoyment of a sporting event. Am I not allowed that view?

What next? Rock music at a snooker venue?

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:58 pm  

Odem wrote:

I don't understand why this has carried on so long. Somebody who was nothing to do with the group spraypainted something.... what can we do? We will police it better in future and that puts an end to it in my opinion.

Nothing to do with you lot.

BUT

You're going to police it?

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:10 pm  

Odem wrote:

How dare you talk sense on this board.

Ban him mods!

He will be severely dealt with

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:11 pm  

I've also picked up on this police comment by Odem,used it at least three times sounds to me that it's some sort of mafia or military group

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:14 pm  

Perhaps Odem is the godfather. Nothing been heard from jimmy birts lately has he been overthrown( or just changed his name on here)?

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:25 pm  

Constructive criticism from me:

Personally, I just want to be amongst noise and atmosphere on away day and some of the elder Brigantes should be congratulated on the efforts and ideas which have improved away day atmosphere's over the last two years.

Unfortunately they seem to have developed an increasing number young followers with a minority who think it's part of the Ultras/Brigantes mindset to spray ''S2'' on walls and to pepper Craven Park with Brigantes stickers. People can defend this all they want but face it, this will only create segregation and animosity between the Brigantes and your general fan.

In my opinion, the concept is a great idea but will only succeed at Wigan at a certain level. The songs and flags have brought the Brigantes great publicity but using flares and stickers will only leave the group open to negative attention and the general Wigan supporter over the age of 16 doesn't want to be associated with that.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:26 pm  

ABP' wrote:

Constructive criticism from me:

Personally, I just want to be amongst noise and atmosphere on away day and some of the elder Brigantes should be congratulated on the efforts and ideas which have improved away day atmosphere's over the last two years.

Unfortunately they seem to have developed an increasing number young followers with a minority who think it's part of the Ultras/Brigantes mindset to spray ''S2'' on walls and to pepper Craven Park with Brigantes stickers. People can defend this all they want but face it, this will only create segregation and animosity between the Brigantes and your general fan.

In my opinion, the concept is a great idea but will only succeed at Wigan at a certain level. The songs and flags have brought the Brigantes great publicity but using flares and stickers will only leave the group open to negative attention and the general Wigan supporter over the age of 16 doesn't want to be associated with that.

Nothing wrong with noise and atmosphere ABP, that's a natural part of a spectator sport.

But drums? The constant pounding of the one (or few at a stretch) that offends the many?

This is not part of RL. This is not part of Wigan RL. It's as alien as flares are to the game.

Do we really want this in our sport?

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:28 pm  

21-12 wrote:

Im not on twitter so I cant really comment on that.

However, the core group of people that are mainly involved in fundraising, flag displays etc are a fantastic group of people that have worked extremely hard to get this off the ground. It seems as though certain groups of younger fans have decided to jump on the bandwaggon last night and behaved like absoulute morons, the most upsetting thing about all this is that like I said, I know of 20+ people that have been involved in this from more or less day 1 that are absoulutely disgusted and angry at what happened last night. A lot of work and time has been undone by some 15 year old p1llock with a spray can.

well said love

For its worth I'm going to add a few of my opinions/rants as some of what I've read on these 15 pages is a bit trivial to say the least;

Surely people can see that the idea or building colour, noise and atmosphere at our games has been greatly improved by the flags etc and to mock each other seems silly.

That success will inivitably bring the bad along with the good and having first hand experience of both I can assure anyone who isn't directly involved that those who put their hard earned time, effort and money into the 'Brigantes' will and do, do EVERYTHING possible to police this from inside.

The fool who did this act last night should not be seen at any of our games again and shame of his friend for not stopping him, but surely praise must be given for the fact that he has been outed and therefore steps can be put in place (ie banning order)

S2 is a great idea to allow those who want to sing to know where they will be with like minded fans in a stand that is unreserved therefore allows you to move should you not like the noise (or wish to break a drum )

Finally, and I will say it so sorry if it offends but there is the pathetic 'jealousy' thing where I see regulary the Brigantes name banished as a joke merely by those not understanding all the work behind the scenes. Some folk need to take a long hard look at themselves before they comment or try and be little the effort of others. Be that mocking a charity event, attempting to sing over anyone with a Brigantes scarf on because its funny - both are single incidents by individuals whom I know post on here.

Short of sounding old before my time - can we all not play nicely togther