Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:58 pm  

Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:

I mean it's plausible I guess.

Tbh I am fairly sure that there won't be sufficient evidence to prove anything either way and that nothing will really come of this.

In any other situation, I'd agree with your assessment.
However given the nature of the allegation in these current times?
And I have to say, as an employer myself, I'm slightly concerned by the voracity of the club's joint statement.
That's something you wouldn't normally expect to see PRE investigation.
Afterwards, if case proven? Absolutely fine to send out a clear message.
But before one even takes place?
Very unusual ... Some might even say prejudicial.
Although not totally unexpected, given the timing of it.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:03 pm  

Just playing devils advocate here. If the Andre Savelio was born in NZ, raised in the UK, and hasn't played international football, does anyone know what nationality he is? On that basis is calling him Polynesian vastly different from a Frenchman being called a European this or that if you are genuinely unsure of someone's nationality? I have never seen Polynesian as a racist word, nor a slur, but maybe people are still in that guessing phase on what was said. Pom or Pommy is an ethnic slur apparently these days, but Poly isn't.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:26 pm  

CobraCraig wrote:

I’m saying that xenophobia isn’t frowned upon like racism, if anything it’s encouraged in some environments. With regards to slavery I’m not sure it has much bearing, if you called an Asian person a p**i friend that would be just as offensive and to my knowledge that derogatory term has no links to slavery.

I don't get your point. I agree that saying those things about Asian people wouldn't be OK either.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:29 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

:lol:

Admit it, you said tubby didn't you?

No way, if I pick on anyone, it certainly isn't prop forwards

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:31 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

No way, if I pick on anyone, it certainly isn't prop forwards

Yet you keep trying my patience and I make Feka look like Willie Peters

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:41 pm  

Fleets wrote:

Just playing devils advocate here. If the Andre Savelio was born in NZ, raised in the UK, and hasn't played international football, does anyone know what nationality he is? On that basis is calling him Polynesian vastly different from a Frenchman being called a European this or that if you are genuinely unsure of someone's nationality? I have never seen Polynesian as a racist word, nor a slur, but maybe people are still in that guessing phase on what was said. Pom or Pommy is an ethnic slur apparently these days, but Poly isn't.

But your nationality isn’t your race that’s what people are getting confused with (although it maybe is confusing xenophobia is accepted on the whole and racism isn’t). If he’d have called him a New Zealand friend or English friend I don’t think we’d be having this conversation.
I also agree that Polynesian isn’t a racist word, but sandwiched between stupid and c**t it brings on another meaning like putting any other accepted name for a race in between.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:49 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

He’ll get what’s coming to him and rightfully so. The world is hot on absolutely any form of racism at the minute. These things don’t have sliding scales of offensiveness, so he’ll be judged in the same way if he’d racially abused a black or Asian player. I wouldn’t sit in a group who’d say it’s like calling him a lazy, useless, cockney **** but we do have double standards as a society when it comes to things like this. Had Clubb done it to Josh Reynolds next week instead and called him an Aussie so and so or to Regan Grace and called him a Welsh one, we wouldn’t bat an eyelid. I’m not sure that’s right but it’s the world we live in right now and players should know better.

I really do hope Clubb comes out and just owns up to it (presuming he’s said it) and takes what’s coming. He’ll get an inflated punishment in the current climate and be made an example of and he’s only himself to blame.

Just wonder what your Polynesian coach Lam thinks about it
Cant see Clubb playing for your club again

[Pemps]

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:51 pm  

Fleets wrote:

Just playing devils advocate here. If the Andre Savelio was born in NZ, raised in the UK, and hasn't played international football, does anyone know what nationality he is? On that basis is calling him Polynesian vastly different from a Frenchman being called a European this or that if you are genuinely unsure of someone's nationality? I have never seen Polynesian as a racist word, nor a slur, but maybe people are still in that guessing phase on what was said. Pom or Pommy is an ethnic slur apparently these days, but Poly isn't.

I would suggest that Polynesian is a race of people. I've googled it and it's a bit ambiguous but the general feeling is it's a race.

If he did say it I would hope it's out of pure ignorance to the fact that it's a race of people rather than a nationality. Like has already been said, if he'd called him a "Stupid Kiwi C@@t" then there's perhaps nothing to see here.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:55 pm  

CobraCraig wrote:

But your nationality isn’t your race that’s what people are getting confused with (although it maybe is confusing xenophobia is accepted on the whole and racism isn’t). If he’d have called him a New Zealand friend or English friend I don’t think we’d be having this conversation.
I also agree that Polynesian isn’t a racist word, but sandwiched between stupid and c**t it brings on another meaning like putting any other accepted name for a race in between.

You have nailed it there CobraCraig, that is the point that many of the fellow Hull fans I work with couldn't grasp. Education is vital to beat racism, it has deep rooted generational origins in our society and people do not actually think racist remarks , they do however soeak them, often not realising that fact. Possibly Clubb was doing just that and never intended it to be anything other than a throwaway off the cuff remark, with the C word being the basis of his insult?

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:02 pm  

It probably is an off the cuff remark said without any thought. I doubt he’s meant it and I doubt even more he’s the slightest bit racist. His colours would have shown long ago if that were the case IMHO.

But there’s no hiding from it. Whether it’s racist/xenophobic or whatever matters not. The crux of the matter is is that it’s totally abhorrent on every level and needs stamping out of society in general. It may not seem the worst slur in the world but if he gets away with this, someone else thinks it’s okay to call someone else a “Pakistani [insert slur here]”. The game and sport can’t just concentrate on serious racial slurs, it has to be stamped out at low level and dealt with harshly. By doing so it sets an example and makes those really, really horrible slurs less and less (I’m not saying this isn’t horrible or trying to judge it’s level BTW).