: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:15 am  

jonh wrote:

So you are saying a coach should be judged on his performance in the current season rather that his history?

No that is what you are saying, You are saying that Noble should go because you have lost 3 games against the 3 weakest teams. I am saying that if you judged on that, then Anderson would have gone last season, please do not try to twist things to try and look clever as it wont work.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:18 am  

JLM23 wrote:

No that is what you are saying, You are saying that Noble should go because you have lost 3 games against the 3 weakest teams. I am saying that if you judged on that, then Anderson would have gone last season, please do not try to twist things to try and look clever as it wont work.

No i am saying Noble should go because he has been poor for the last 2 years, the fact that we have shown no improvement this year simply reinforces this fact.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:20 am  

jonh wrote:

No i am saying Noble should go because he has been poor for the last 2 years, the fact that we have shown no improvement this year simply reinforces this fact.

So after winning the trophy, Hanley then lost his first 3 games of the next season, therefore he had made us weaker in your opinion?

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:21 am  

Ideal Coach in world - Wayne Bennett

Ideal Coach currently in UK - Shaun Mcrae

Likely coach that Lenagan will sign on the cheap - Ellery Hanley

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:22 am  

JLM23 wrote:

So after winning the trophy, Hanley then lost his first 3 games of the next season, therefore he had made us weaker in your opinion?

That bit might make a difference.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:22 am  

jonh wrote:

So basically this post is 1 big contradiction.

No, not really. I am enjoying the view from afar, so I don't know the whole ins and outs. I don't rate Hanley, and it seems that Wigan fans are doing what Leeds United did at the end of the seventies: bring back some playing greats and everything will be fine. Maybe it would work with Edwards, and he does have genuine coaching credentials (albeit in a much simpler sport - kick, roll in the mud, kick, fly half lays it off to centre coming on the inside, roll in the mud, penalty, take the three points). But if you want a Wigan great, is it Hanley? If personality is all it takes to win Super League, why isn't Dale Winton in charge at St Helens?

I was just querying the obsession with Hanley coming back, when I wonder whether Hanley himself holds Wigan in any great esteem. He is a Leeds lad, was heavily involved in the Leeds set up, and stayed living in Leeds even when he was at Wigan.

As for Noble, he is good at one thing: grunt. It worked once, when he built a side around it. Things have moved on.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:23 am  

JLM23 wrote:

So after winning the trophy, Hanley then lost his first 3 games of the next season, therefore he had made us weaker in your opinion?

No Hanley improved you by winning the trophy and improving performance.

Noblesw best performances as Wigan coach were in the relegation year, we have not improved since then, the points for and against will confirm this, the start to this season will confirm this.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:24 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

No, not really. I am enjoying the view from afar, so I don't know the whole ins and outs. I don't rate Hanley, and it seems that Wigan fans are doing what Leeds United did at the end of the seventies: bring back some playing greats and everything will be fine. Maybe it would work with Edwards, and he does have genuine coaching credentials (albeit in a much simpler sport - kick, roll in the mud, kick, fly half lays it off to centre coming on the inside, roll in the mud, penalty, take the three points). But if you want a Wigan great, is it Hanley? If personality is all it takes to win Super League, why isn't Dale Winton in charge at St Helens?
I was just querying the obsession with Hanley coming back, when I wonder whether Hanley himself holds Wigan in any great esteem. He is a Leeds lad, was heavily involved in the Leeds set up, and stayed living in Leeds even when he was at Wigan.

As for Noble, he is good at one thing: grunt. It worked once, when he built a side around it. Things have moved on.

I stopped reading after the bold finished. it displays a total ignorace, and missing of the point there is no use continuing with the coversation.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:25 am  

jonh wrote:

No Hanley improved you by winning the trophy and improving performance.

Noblesw best performances as Wigan coach were in the relegation year, we have not improved since then, the points for and against will confirm this, the start to this season will confirm this.

So after we won the trophy, we then lost the next 3 games he coached us in. By your argument, the start to the season would confirm that performance had dropped?

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:27 am  

JLM23 wrote:

So after we won the trophy, we then lost the next 3 games he coached us in. By your argument, the start to the season would confirm that performance had dropped?

No but the evidence of the last year would!

Are you on glue?!

Last year we were crap, the before we were crap, this year we have been crap.

How is that 3 games evidence?!