Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Thu Jun 06, 2024 5:00 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I could see Keighrans ban putting paid to any chance of Hill playing. You’re having to bring in a kid with only 4 first team appearances to cover him and you also have Nsemba who is a very young/inexperienced player, so I think we’ll see Byrne or Cooper (or both) ahead of Hill.

Totally agree NK.
I like Hill and for him not to be in the 17 would be cruel but I anticipate that Cooper will be given the nod for his experience. As you say it would be very brave of Peet to play 3 inexperienced players in Nsemba, Eckersley and Hill with Cooper sitting in the stands.

Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:32 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Absolutely no need for that comment - Moderators

Those who can, do; those who can't, ref.

Keep telling yourself that you and your mates are doing a great job tho. It's definitely helping.

Yep, like most people I'll never play Super League, as much as I'd like to. I'm going to go ahead and assume you're in the same bracket.

You may be interested to learn that the refs have absolutely sod all to do with setting the rules around foul play and even less to do with bans, which are issued by the MRP (made up of ex players and legal professionals whom you presumably do respect more than refs). You'll need to do a bit more mental gymnastics to get to blaming this one on the refs, particularly as Dupree wasn't sent off on the day.

Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Sun Jun 09, 2024 1:32 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Glad to see you posting again, something good has come out of that post after all
PS

Haha cheers, swapped jobs and not really had chance to look since. I see it's still providing a good soapbox for those who people tune out down the pub

Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:00 pm  

I’d be interested in your thoughts on that first 3 minutes yesterday Grimmy. We saying the refs got those right? If so, they have my total sympathy because clearly they’re being forced in to decisions like that.

It was 3 minutes worth of highlighting the mess the game is in regarding the fear of litigation and how it needs to be seen doing something/anything. I actually felt a bit embarrassed watching it tbh. I don’t lay the blame at the door of anyone within the game, it is ambulance chasers like Fozzard and Goulding who are to blame.

Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:11 pm  

That first yellow on Cooper was absolutely ridiculous. I’ve genuinely no idea what he’s supposed to have done to avoid that. You can’t blame his tackle height or technique, the lads head has hit his hip ffs! It wasn’t a case of hitting late or acting recklessly. Genuinely, what has he done wrong? It’s not even a penalty

The 2nd one wasn’t a yellow either, though that one was a penalty. Think part of Kendall regretted the decision he’d just made so wanted to even it up.

Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Sun Jun 09, 2024 5:51 pm  

Reaper. That’s my thoughts on it exactly. Coopers yellow is just ludicrous. Dufty’s one was worse if we assume the ref did it to even things up. If that is true the ref gave a decision he knew was wrong to make up for a decision he got wrong. We are in a very bad place if anyone thinks that’s acceptable.

Doesn’t mean I wasn’t yelling ‘off off off’ at the rope of my voice though.

Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:08 pm  

For me, the whole red/yellow card culture is getting out of hand.

Player protection is definitely important, but there's only so much protection you can give them on a rugby field (where they are present voluntarily!!).

Some kind of edict needs to be passed to counteract all this nonsense. Contact with the head, if clearly accidental, should NOT merit any time on the sideline. Playing this sport is the players' job, and sending them off repeatedly is likely damaging to their reputation, their enthusiasm, their confidence, maybe even their earning potential, while at the same time is hugely dispiriting for the fans, who ultimately are the ones paying everyone's wages.

We shouldn't pretend that Kendal's actions early on in yesterday's game were anything other than ludicrous. Neither of those incidents was intentional, never mind malicious. He was trying to impose an extreme level of 'player protection' that was simply impossible to maintain in a contact sport, and though he suddenly seemed to realise this, keeping the cards well and truly in his pocket for the next 75 minutes, it was yet another disrupting factor in the flow of the match.

Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:28 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

I’d be interested in your thoughts on that first 3 minutes yesterday Grimmy. We saying the refs got those right? If so, they have my total sympathy because clearly they’re being forced in to decisions like that.

It was 3 minutes worth of highlighting the mess the game is in regarding the fear of litigation and how it needs to be seen doing something/anything. I actually felt a bit embarrassed watching it tbh. I don’t lay the blame at the door of anyone within the game, it is ambulance chasers like Fozzard and Goulding who are to blame.

Not a lot to add to your thoughts really. Not how I want the game to look but that's down to Fozzard, Goulding etc making the sport so difficult to insure that they're having to make drastic changes to reduce head contacts. Refs are just (sometimes begrudgingly) doing as they're told.

Hopefully the two bins force the laws committee to rethink in terms of how we go about that. There's a massive threat to the sport at the moment in terms of being able to get insured which I don't think has been hammered home enough with the fans for whatever reason.

Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:24 am  

I just hope the MRP doesn’t double down and ban Cooper/Dufty, that will be adding insult to injury

Re: Wire part 1 of 2 : Mon Jun 10, 2024 8:17 am  

The Reaper wrote:

That first yellow on Cooper was absolutely ridiculous. I’ve genuinely no idea what he’s supposed to have done to avoid that. You can’t blame his tackle height or technique, the lads head has hit his hip ffs! It wasn’t a case of hitting late or acting recklessly. Genuinely, what has he done wrong? It’s not even a penalty

The 2nd one wasn’t a yellow either, though that one was a penalty. Think part of Kendall regretted the decision he’d just made so wanted to even it up.

I've got a bit of a persecution complex I know, but I do think, had the incidents happened the other way around, neither would have been carded.

I think it was an attempt to let Wire get some points on the board by putting us down a man, to try and make a contest of it, but the officials had no choice but to be consistent when the second incident occurred.