: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:58 pm  

RB wrote:

And imagine what Noble can do if the players don't drop balls, miss tackles, give away stupid penalties, etc.

You have to instil discipline in your side. You can't control what a player does but generally the best coaches have a well disciplined side.

At the end of the day BN is the boss of this team and if NUMEROUS, players not just one or two are not performing under him and making basic errors all the time you have to start looking at the management they are under. Players such as Lockers, Hock, Tomkins, Richards and Roberts don’t all turn into bad players over night.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:59 pm  

pk wrote:

shaun mcrae is prob sl's best all round coach

I disagree I really rate John Kear. I think he's a fantastic coach.

He coached Sheffield Eagles in 1997, taking them to the Premiership Semi Final in that year. The year after do I need to say what he did?

He was coach of the England team in the 2000 World Cup, leading them to the semi-finals.

He then took Hull FC to the challenge cup final and beat Leeds.

He then steered Wakefield from relegation with four wins from their final six.

He then took a poor Wakefield side to 8th in super league their second highest ever finish in super league.

If we weren't going to get an Australian I'd go for Kear.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:00 pm  

Kear will never come back.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:01 pm  

Cadoo! wrote:

I disagree I really rate John Kear. I think he's a fantastic coach.

He coached Sheffield Eagles in 1997, taking them to the Premiership Semi Final in that year. The year after do I need to say what he did?

He was coach of the England team in the 2000 World Cup, leading them to the semi-finals.

He then took Hull FC to the challenge cup final and beat Leeds.

He then steered Wakefield from relegation with four wins from their final six.

He then took a poor Wakefield side to 8th in super league their second highest ever finish in super league.

If we weren't going to get an Australian I'd go for Kear.

He's tried and tested tho. I admire what he's done but he's a little 2 old school for me.

We need a Lowe or Monie type who will bring in fresh ideas and practices imo.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:04 pm  

thepriestman85 wrote:

He's tried and tested tho. I admire what he's done but he's a little 2 old school for me.

We need a Lowe or Monie type who will bring in fresh ideas and practices imo.

John Monie is available but I don't think he will come back to Wigan for a third time.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:09 pm  

RB wrote:

Kear will never come back.

[Errr .... no]

Mugwump.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:12 pm  

Cadoo! wrote:

I disagree I really rate John Kear. I think he's a fantastic coach.

He coached Sheffield Eagles in 1997, taking them to the Premiership Semi Final in that year. The year after do I need to say what he did?

He was coach of the England team in the 2000 World Cup, leading them to the semi-finals.

He then took Hull FC to the challenge cup final and beat Leeds.

He then steered Wakefield from relegation with four wins from their final six.

He then took a poor Wakefield side to 8th in super league their second highest ever finish in super league.

If we weren't going to get an Australian I'd go for Kear.

hands off ya buggers

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:16 pm  

Cadoo! wrote:

John Monie is available but I don't think he will come back to Wigan for a third time.

Again sorry i don't think he's right at this moment in time.

What i meant by Monie and Lowe was that they were coaches who were far, far ahead of other coaches at that moment in time. Lowe revolutionised the club he forced the players to embrace a professional attitude that we almost unheard of at the time he also set standards higher than at any other club that’s what set us apart and made us the best. We were never happy with a good win we always wanted perfection and that next level. Same for Monie as the guy was a master at defensive patterns and brought new tactics over with him from Aus which again took us to a level above anything in RL.

We need a coach with new ideas who is 'ahead of his time' so to speak just as Monie and Lowe were.

Is Noble ahead of his time? Are we setting the highest standards for our players or are we just happy at getting into the playoffs and going from there? Feka is a perfect example- He’s a quality player who’s never gonna be a 80 min player and we shouldn’t expect anything of the sort from him but cast your mind back to last year when he did lose a little bit of weight after working with Pongia, he was in the form of his life. Is Noble/Forshaw pushing him to continue this?

For me the standards set under Noble aren't good enough.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:23 pm  

I think everyone is typing on this:

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:25 pm  

thepriestman85 wrote:

Again sorry i don't think he's right at this moment in time.

What i meant by Monie and Lowe was that they were coaches who were far, far ahead of other coaches at that moment in time. Lowe revolutionised the club he forced the players to embrace a professional attitude that we almost unheard of at the time he also set standards higher than at any other club that’s what set us apart and made us the best. We were never happy with a good win we always wanted perfection and that next level. Same for Monie as the guy was a master at defensive patterns and brought new tactics over with him from Aus which again took us to a level above anything in RL.

We need a coach with new ideas who is 'ahead of his time' so to speak just as Monie and Lowe were.

Is Noble ahead of his time? Are we setting the highest standards for our players or are we just happy at getting into the playoffs and going from there? Feka is a perfect example- He’s a quality player who’s never gonna be a 80 min player and we shouldn’t expect anything of the sort from him but cast your mind back to last year when he did lose a little bit of weight after working with Pongia, he was in the form of his life. Is Noble/Forshaw pushing him to continue this?

For me the standards set under Noble aren't good enough.

Paul Cullen it is then