: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:09 pm  

nickmanator wrote:

jonh could have coached that team and that saying someting ,it coached its self

What about DaveO,hes a better coach than Jonh lol

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:13 pm  

Someone that dosnt lose the dressing room.

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:42 pm  

jonh wrote:

A good coach has to be have a bit of everything in there arsenal, they have to be a leader, a psychologist, sometimes a friend sometimes a foe, byt the key attributed for me that are crucial for any coach are:-

Knowledge-clearly you have to know your subject matter that you are coaching, the greater the knowledge then the more chance you have at being successfull. You have to constantly strive to improve your knowledge and apply it as trends evolve and the game changes. If you are standing still in any coaching discipline in real terms you are moving backwards.

Communication-You can be the most knowledgable person in the world but if you cannot communicate that knowledge at a the correct level to the people you are coaching you may as well not bother.

Man Management- It is crucial you know how to deal with the characters and eho's in the team, although a coach is in charge of a team a team is only the sum of its individual parts, you have to know what makes each individual tick, what kind of stimulus they respond to best, ie a kick up the aris or a softly softly approach, you have to treat each member of the team as an individual and identify key relationships they have that are of benefit to the group, and nurture them and erradicate any negative relationships. You also have to be a good judge of character and surround yourselves with quality individuals on and off the pitch to support you. You also have to be open to new ideas and exploring new options striving for personal growth rather than stagnating.

I do not doubt any Wigan coach including the current one do not tick all the boxes for knowledge, i do think that some of them lost there jobs because of the second 2.

Good coaches are those that have managed to be employed for a career length in whichever field they work. Alex Furgusson is a fantastic coach, Wayne Bennett Jack Gibson, Vern Gambetta, Wilf Paige etc.

All of this, and to know the enemy like John Kear atm. You also need to know how to win as well as well as making the perfect team

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:04 pm  

A good coach ?.....well there's too many points to raise, but given our current situation I would say a coach that wouldn't (if he were at all able to) field 6 props in the scrum and 7 second rowers......everywhere else

One who didn't think that 16 stones in weight (18 1/2 if you could possibly manage it) is the first prerequisite of a good Rugby League player.

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:05 pm  

nickmanator wrote:

jonh could have coached that team and that saying someting ,it coached its self

given the threats via pm you have made i expected you to be having a pop on here sooner rather than later, still congratulations you managed a post without mentioning Mick Higham, congrats.

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:11 pm  

jonh wrote:

given the threats via pm you have made i expected you to be having a pop on here sooner rather than later, still congratulations you managed a post without mentioning Mick Higham, congrats.

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:11 pm  

lets be honest and i know people do not like maurice,even though he got noble do you think he would still be here now if maurice was still in charge.

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:12 pm  

ok i started this thread but lets just say a good coach is hard to get

: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:52 pm  

jonh wrote:

given the threats via pm you have made i expected you to be having a pop on here sooner rather than later, still congratulations you managed a post without mentioning Mick Higham, congrats.

Indeed. I noticed that as well.

: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:24 pm  

Good points raised here about coaches.

One glaring omission seems to be a history, or heritage with the club. For instance, Edwards is being touted as the prodigal son for Wigan RL by many on here, because of his passion for the club, but no one has suggested that this is important in being a good coach. Is a coach's history at the club therefore simply a red herring? Or possibly even a negative point?

Can anyone name a coach who has succeeded at their own club? Alex Murphy is probably the closest that Saints have had, but was nowhere near as successful as the likes of Millward or Anderson who have no particular passion for the club. Monie and Lowe had no passion for Wigan, but were both hugely successful. Cullen, I believe is passionate about Warrington, but did his passion get in the way of success?