: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:47 pm  

Goulding needs to make a centre-winger relationship, so that each other know what's happening when. Half the times that I've seen him be "greedy" is when there has been no winger to pass to, as they are rarely on the same wavelength. Seriously, when was the last time Goulding had the same man outside of him for say... 5 matches in a row?

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:52 pm  

Mother Feka wrote:

When we do let our young Wigan lads go people complain about bringing these average aussies in like Phelps and Bailey, yet when a lad like Goulding gets his chance we get people calling for his head saying he isnt good enough.

I'm not calling for his head and no-one supports young Wigan players more than I do.

But don't bury your heads in the sand. Gouldings poor decision making was a major contribution in the defeat last Friday.

That was the point of my post. IMO it was a below average performance from him, or are we only allowed to criticise overseas or non local players?

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:01 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

That was the point of my post. IMO it was a below average performance from him, or are we only allowed to criticise overseas or non local players?

No but we are allowed to give him a chance like we will be giving say Piggy Riddell a chance after his poor performances....

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:11 pm  

I will back him to the hilt, as he is a player who will give his all, but personally i do not think he will make it and in truth never have.

He may be faster than some of our backs but he does not have pace to seperate him from the pack and make him a special player, he does not have exceptional strength nor does he have special size.

Top players always have something in there arsenal that sets them apart from other players, i do not personally think Goulding has.

Time is on his side and i hope he can make it but i think his time is running out at Wigan. I am sure he will have a future as a SL player, but not in a team wanting to challenge for honours.

S Tomkins has special agility and the ability to beat numerous players, he also has an excellent supporting brain which sets him apart from the pack. Joel has size and strength as well as very good hands and a great rugby brain, i really cannot see anything in Goulding that indicated he will be anything more than an average SL player.

rl : Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:18 pm  

Goulding had the better of Yeaman all night.
The missed chance where Byrne hammered Goulding then needed the physio was when Goulding beat Yeaman, again, and looked round for Phelps. If Phelps had stayed on the outside he'd have had a walk in. Instead Phelps was behind Goulding coming inside. Goulding could well have scored but I could hear the thump of the contact between Goulding and Byrne and I was sat high in the stand.
That shook Byrne up for the rest of the game and he looked uncertain and shakey and we failed to take advantage.
Goulding has lost weight but I think he has regained some of his lost pace.
He should start v Cas with Roberts wingman, Richards to full back. Goulding and Roberts could make a very good centre wing partnership.
To suggest Goulding won't make it is far too early when he still qualifies for the U21s.
Yeaman will replace Senior in the England squad and Goulding gave him one bad night! The only time Yeaman made any ground was when he went dummy half and scooted from there.
Goulding must stay at 3 with Roberts his wing for many games yet before we see how they both go.

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:18 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I'm not calling for his head and no-one supports young Wigan players more than I do.

But don't bury your heads in the sand. Gouldings poor decision making was a major contribution in the defeat last Friday.

That was the point of my post. IMO it was a below average performance from him, or are we only allowed to criticise overseas or non local players?

Why not blame Hock? didn't cover across for horne to step over, and tackled cusack like a turnstyle.

the TEAM wins and looses, and on friday and against wakefield the TEAM were sh***.

give goulding a chance FFS, he is 20, we are all creaming ourselves over Sam T i will give him a fortnight till some on here are on his back.

We need to accept it takes time for players to develop, you learn from experience, you need to make mistakes to learn from them. Leeds's wonderkid made one peach of a pass then looked average and nieve, you dont find many leeds fans slating him.

Judge goulding at the end of the season, not after 20 mins

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:31 pm  

jonh wrote:

I will back him to the hilt, as he is a player who will give his all, but personally i do not think he will make it and in truth never have.

He may be faster than some of our backs but he does not have pace to seperate him from the pack and make him a special player, he does not have exceptional strength nor does he have special size.

Your probably right he is quite small. He still needs to be given a proper chance. A good run in the team.

Re: rl : Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:34 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

Goulding had the better of Yeaman all night.
The missed chance where Byrne hammered Goulding then needed the physio was when Goulding beat Yeaman, again, and looked round for Phelps. If Phelps had stayed on the outside he'd have had a walk in. Instead Phelps was behind Goulding coming inside. Goulding could well have scored but I could hear the thump of the contact between Goulding and Byrne and I was sat high in the stand.
That shook Byrne up for the rest of the game and he looked uncertain and shakey and we failed to take advantage.
Goulding has lost weight but I think he has regained some of his lost pace.
He should start v Cas with Roberts wingman, Richards to full back. Goulding and Roberts could make a very good centre wing partnership.
To suggest Goulding won't make it is far too early when he still qualifies for the U21s.
Yeaman will replace Senior in the England squad and Goulding gave him one bad night! The only time Yeaman made any ground was when he went dummy half and scooted from there.
Goulding must stay at 3 with Roberts his wing for many games yet before we see how they both go.

I agree he should remain in the centre, but he has to make a mark this year for me, or at least show some of the promise he showed as he was coming through the system.

Unfortunately i do not think it is any great claim to be outplay Yeaman anymore, he has gone backwards in the last 2 year and has shown nothing like the form that earned him top try scorer (i think) and a GB call.

Re: rl : Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:37 pm  

jonh wrote:

I agree he should remain in the centre, but he has to make a mark this year for me, or at least show some of the promise he showed as he was coming through the system.

Unfortunately i do not think it is any great claim to be outplay Yeaman anymore, he has gone backwards in the last 2 year and has shown nothing like the form that earned him top try scorer (i think) and a GB call.

Even with a downturn in form the sad state of centres in this country means Yeaman is one of the better ones and to outplay him in the main is a decent scalp for Goulding especially in his first full game of the year.

He's had great games against the likes of Senior and Hape in the past aswell so he must have something about him.

He needs a good run in the side imo but i don't see that happening under Noble tbh.

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:56 pm  

Good offload for Baileys try.