Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:59 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Everyone has a price. For me, I'd have Smithies as a marquee in a heartbeat and certainly over someone like Thompson. We'd have just had to get to a number that Morgan couldn't turn down.

Agree with that. Smithies was a known quantity to us, and one that looked likely to continue improving.

Thompson is still a signing that i worry about, i can't shake the feeling of it being a Burgess all over again. One bitten twice shy you could say, he has missed a lot of time since his move over there.

We have had our trick, still hoping there is time for a treat!

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:08 pm  

cadoo wrote:

Well firstly I think we have respect Smithies for his efforts this year. Along with KPP, he has not dipped at all despite knowing he was leaving and if anything both their form just got better and better. I think both will do well in the NRL and will have a great career over there.

The bitter blow and I can only echo the comments from all on here is that we continually lose these lads. It is what has in my eyes held us back from sustained success like Leeds and St.Helens when they've had dominant spells - both clubs managed to retain that core group of players.

And yet I find it hard to be critical of the club for their approach with respect to having an open and honest culture with the players about their ambitions so they can recruit a replacement, secure a significant transfer fee etc and respect the wishes of the player, which will be the reason why KPP and Smithies continued to give their all and more for us and we ended up with a Grand Final.

The bigger issue is wider for the game. For young, unmarried, ambitious and talented RL players Super League is a stepping stone and the premier competition (and better lifestyle) is in the NRL. I wish we could keep them - I don't have the answer how we can do it.

We have made some great signings for next year, but talk of any "dynasty" will depend on us securing Harry Smith to a long term deal and trying to keep either French or Field (preferably both of course) for the next 2-3 years. We have Smith, French and Field all out of contract in 2024 (albeit with options for 1 and 2 years with French and Field - no idea in whose favour).

Tying players down to long term contracts means nothing if we keep letting them go mid contract, so we can forget any talk of a dynasty.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:13 pm  

hatty wrote:

Tying players down to long term contracts means nothing if we keep letting them go mid contract, so we can forget any talk of a dynasty.

I know what you mean, but being mid-contract does at least mean paying a fair wedge as a transfer fee. I know that doesn't mean a huge amount to us with Danson and the salary cap, but it does act as a deterrent to the NRL team unless they really want the player.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:32 pm  

Cherry_&_White wrote:

I know what you mean, but being mid-contract does at least mean paying a fair wedge as a transfer fee. I know that doesn't mean a huge amount to us with Danson and the salary cap, but it does act as a deterrent to the NRL team unless they really want the player.

What is a fair wedge though? Danson is not in charge yet.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:05 am  

Zig wrote:

Good luck to Morgan, we move on. The most frustrating part to me is seeing players go to the NRL when they are still under contract.

I take it that there was some form of compensation paid to us by either the club or the player to allow him to leave mid-contract?

Failing that, I take it we have a first option on when he returns to the UK and one that will be a little more watertight than the one GW managed to get out of.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:32 am  

muttywhitedog wrote:

I take it that there was some form of compensation paid to us by either the club or the player to allow him to leave mid-contract?

Failing that, I take it we have a first option on when he returns to the UK and one that will be a little more watertight than the one GW managed to get out of.

‘A substantial fee’ was the line in the article. No mention of any first refusals on any return but I’m not sure they’re worth the paper they’re (probably not) written on anyway.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:41 am  

muttywhitedog wrote:

I take it that there was some form of compensation paid to us by either the club or the player to allow him to leave mid-contract?

Failing that, I take it we have a first option on when he returns to the UK and one that will be a little more watertight than the one GW managed to get out of.

We need to stop this "return to sender" malarkey with players, if they want to leave then fine but we shouldn't have their tea on the table and bed ready for when they want to come back to us. There should be no first refusal its ridiculous that we even offer it to a player who is breaking his contract.

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:03 am  

hatty wrote:

We need to stop this "return to sender" malarkey with players, if they want to leave then fine but we shouldn't have their tea on the table and bed ready for when they want to come back to us. There should be no first refusal its ridiculous that we even offer it to a player who is breaking his contract.

Why not have a first refusal for a player that may have completely ripped it up in the NRL but has decided they want to come back nearer to home, just becasue its a first refusal it doesn't mean we have to take it up if they seem a shadow of their former self.

I for one would like to have that first option (even if they manage somehow get out of it) and how many would complain if said player was a superstar in the NRL and we didn't bother to put a first refusal option in place, the club just need to have the courage of their convictions to say no if they appear to have gone backwards as a player

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:31 pm  

Zig wrote:

What is a fair wedge though? Danson is not in charge yet.

I thought the takeover was from 1st November?

Re: Smithies Departure Confirmed. : Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:33 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I thought the takeover was from 1st November?

I thought it was 1st December??
Could be wrong though.