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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:58 pm  
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Sam won't return to us any time soon no matter what agreement is put in place. I predict that the initial deal will be 2 years with option to extend and he'll go down a storm in the NRL and activate that extension. I can see him doing 3/4 years then going to rugby union for a World Cup. That would take him into his 30s and then he may return but who knows?

Begging the question why has our chairman let him break a big clause in his contract and allowing the best player of a generation to walk out of our club never to return. Neither IL or Sam comes out of this looking good, he's been great for us but the disrespect he's shown the fans and British rugby league with over the past months leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:15 pm  
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Begging the question why has our chairman let him break a big clause in his contract and allowing the best player of a generation to walk out of our club never to return. Neither IL or Sam comes out of this looking good, he's been great for us but the disrespect he's shown the fans and British rugby league with over the past months leaves a sour taste in the mouth.


How has he shown disrespect? He has refused to talk about any move so the press dont take all the focus off the club and onto him. I think he has handled it perfectly well.
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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:49 pm  
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Regardless of how his move has come about, he deserves a massive send off for all he has done on the pitch,


Why should anyone give someone "a massive send off" for leaving us to play elsewhere ?

Sorry not from me. When Andy Farrell left us for RU, I wasn't over enamoured then either.

My team is Wigan.

If they don't want to play for us, then I couldn't care less for them to be honest.
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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:54 pm  
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Why should anyone give someone "a massive send off" for leaving us to play elsewhere ?

Sorry not from me. When Andy Farrell left us for RU, I wasn't over enamoured then either.

My team is Wigan.

If they don't want to play for us, then I couldn't care less for them to be honest.


Because he is going somewhere to better himself, he isn't moving to Leeds/Wire/Saints and become one of our rivals, he is moving to a league where he will be really tested. He has given his all for us and helped give us some great days and trophies and for me he should be given a massive send off, as should Mossop, Richards and anyone else playing their last game for us at the DW
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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:03 am  
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Begging the question why has our chairman let him break a big clause in his contract and allowing the best player of a generation to walk out of our club never to return. Neither IL or Sam comes out of this looking good, he's been great for us but the disrespect he's shown the fans and British rugby league with over the past months leaves a sour taste in the mouth.


Why do people want to lay the blame at the door of Tomkins even when all our previous dealings under Lenagan scream out to us that this has his mark written all over it. He won't announce negative news until he can balance it out with some positives and that's proven.

This had nothing to do with Sam Tomkins, plain and simple. He can't go around announcing things off his own back when he's been banned from doing so. He probably been as miffed about it as all the fans yet there's a few lining up to have a go.

It baffles me.
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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:06 am  
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Why should anyone give someone "a massive send off" for leaving us to play elsewhere ?

Sorry not from me. When Andy Farrell left us for RU, I wasn't over enamoured then either.

My team is Wigan.

If they don't want to play for us, then I couldn't care less for them to be honest.


Because he's played a huge part in dragging your team back up to the top?

Because he's helped us win trophies?

Because he's been one of the most entertaining players ever to pull on a Wigan shirt?

Because he's played with passion for the badge everytime he's pulled on a shirt?

Because he's not just leaving for cash but to go and play in a better league and challenge himself?

You feel the same about Pat Richards?
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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:38 am  
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This had nothing to do with Sam Tomkins, plain and simple. He can't go around announcing things off his own back when he's been banned from doing so. He probably been as miffed about it as all the fans yet there's a few lining up to have a go.

It baffles me.


It may be simple, but it sure isn't plain.

Perhaps you can tell us how you know this?

Bear in mind that Sam stands to gain massively by going to the NRL, and that dumping Wigan and British RL midway through a contract to get even better money and a higher profile would not exactly be a new thing for the Tomkins clan.

I'm not saying that IL and the Wigan club aren't culpable. But assuming Sam is going to his lucrative new life kicking and screaming because a) that's what you want to believe, b) you don't like IL, or c) a combination of both - could be a tad naive.
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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:50 am  
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This had nothing to do with Sam Tomkins, plain and simple.



Does it not seem strange that not too long ago IL was doing everything to get Sam on a long term deal/changes to salary cap etc etc to keep him at the club then hardly any time later seems to be doing the opposite almost as though he wants to get him out of the club - and nothing has changed? Money does not seem to me to be the sole motivator is this sorry saga.

Time will tell........................
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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:31 am  
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It may be simple, but it sure isn't plain.

Perhaps you can tell us how you know this?

Bear in mind that Sam stands to gain massively by going to the NRL, and that dumping Wigan and British RL midway through a contract to get even better money and a higher profile would not exactly be a new thing for the Tomkins clan.

I'm not saying that IL and the Wigan club aren't culpable. But assuming Sam is going to his lucrative new life kicking and screaming because a) that's what you want to believe, b) you don't like IL, or c) a combination of both - could be a tad naive.


I'm a huge fan of Ian Lenagan. Without him we wouldn't be sat here as a successful, trophy winning club. He turned us round and he deserves massive credit for that. He does however go about these transfer dealings in a very secretive way and whenever he had bad news to break he makes sure he offsets it with the some 'feel good' announcements. Due to Tomkins stature and importance to Wigan this one has taken longer to put together then the others but it all seems to be coming to a head now.

Where have I said Tomkins is going against his will? I haven't and he certainly isn't. He's going for the challenge of playing in a better league. Sure he'll get paid better but then he's getting paid extremely well here so I'm not having that as his main motivation.

All the above is a side issue anyway. My point was about Tomkins not being allowed to announce the fact he's leaving. People seem to want to hang him out to dry for this yet I'm convinced this had been out of his hands. When do players themselves ever announce their departures anyway? He isn't going to come out and put it on twitter or just announce it during some media work.

If people want to vent their frustrations at the delay then vent them towards the club. It is their responsibility to inform the public.
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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:01 am  
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I'm a huge fan of Ian Lenagan. Without him we wouldn't be sat here as a successful, trophy winning club. He turned us round and he deserves massive credit for that. He does however go about these transfer dealings in a very secretive way and whenever he had bad news to break he makes sure he offsets it with the some 'feel good' announcements. Due to Tomkins stature and importance to Wigan this one has taken longer to put together then the others but it all seems to be coming to a head now.

Where have I said Tomkins is going against his will? I haven't and he certainly isn't. He's going for the challenge of playing in a better league. Sure he'll get paid better but then he's getting paid extremely well here so I'm not having that as his main motivation.

All the above is a side issue anyway. My point was about Tomkins not being allowed to announce the fact he's leaving. People seem to want to hang him out to dry for this yet I'm convinced this had been out of his hands. When do players themselves ever announce their departures anyway? He isn't going to come out and put it on twitter or just announce it during some media work.

If people want to vent their frustrations at the delay then vent them towards the club. It is their responsibility to inform the public.


I don't have a problem with your view on the way the club is handling this. I think they've got it wrong. The Sam saga overshadowed the Wembley win and is now in danger of overshadowing the play-offs.

While, like you, I suspect it is to do with the club trying to get all deals tied up so they can announce them in one go, I'm not sure this is the worst reason in the world, though I do think it's becoming counterproductive. It could also be that Sam's departure is only one part of a much larger and more complex deal, which has taken time to set up. I simply don't know, and neither does anyone else on our side of the fence.

But all that, I think, is the sideline. A much bigger concern to me is that Sam has been allowed to leave at all. It's very, very disappointing, but I think there is a lot of hot air being spouted by certain fans who simply don't want the player to be at fault (I'm not accusing you of that, by the way). Past experience suggests this is often not the case. Even in the distant past, the likes of Hanley and Andy Gregory had periods of fall-out with the club, drew support from the fans, and then it turned out it was half a dozen of one and six of the other (Graham Lowe was ready to go home half way through the 87/88 season because fans were giving him so much crap over the Hanley affair - and how disastrous for Wigan would that would have been?). We've seen a recent plethora of players ducking out of their contracts. Okay, I think the club has sometimes been weak allowing this to happen - there comes a line when you have to call one of these guys' bluff, even if that means you have a disgruntled player on your hands. But the impetus has often come from the player or his agent.

I don't see why the Sam situation should be any different (when all the evidence suggests that the real money and challenge now lies in Aus, and that we are minnows in every sense of the word). This idea that it's all down to IL - because he wants to pocket a big transfer fee - makes no sense to me. Of course, until the club come out and say otherwise, we won't know one way or the other - though even then, I suspect, some people will continue to trot out the same line, and just accuse IL and co of lying.

As for Sam, I'll cheer him to the end. It's his career and his choice. Rightly or wrongly, there will always be people who'll feel betrayed, but they'd be better turning their fire on the RFL. They are the ones who have allowed the British game to dwindle to such insignificance that now no athlete with serious world-class ambitions would consider spending his entire career here.
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