Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:15 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

I didn't remember the fact he got 4 matches until you just said it lmao, did he really?

My thoughts on it are probably in here. It was a clear red card, but I'd never have supported that level of ban for it, so I probably said that was stupid. I've been very consistent with my opinion of how much the MRP are an anchor around the game's neck

Fair enough mate. It wasn't a loaded question, I just wanted to know. Where would you have placed it in the range of no ban to the 4 he actually got? I know you'll be answering in light of Makinson's ban but if you can try to be impartial I'd be interested to know.

For what it's worth, my own view is that both were reds and I actually see them as very similar. I'm not totally surprised Tommy got 3 because of his previous sending off but I'm still of the opinion that's it's harsh nevertheless. Byrne's 4 was a travesty and hasn't been repeated to my knowledge.

I've had a discussion with Cruncher on here about this where I said that I understand the thinking behind the current rules. However, I think if we're going to be fairly draconian with the punishments handed out it's imperative that the disciplinary is fit for purpose and I'm not convinced it is. There is still too much of a lottery feeling about the whole process. I still can't gety head around someone putting their fingers in someone's mouth being dealt with as no proof of intention. I've literally never known anyone to accidentally put their fingers in someone else's mouth...and leave them there ... unintentionally.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:57 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Fair enough mate. It wasn't a loaded question, I just wanted to know. Where would you have placed it in the range of no ban to the 4 he actually got? I know you'll be answering in light of Makinson's ban but if you can try to be impartial I'd be interested to know.

For what it's worth, my own view is that both were reds and I actually see them as very similar. I'm not totally surprised Tommy got 3 because of his previous sending off but I'm still of the opinion that's it's harsh nevertheless. Byrne's 4 was a travesty and hasn't been repeated to my knowledge.

I've had a discussion with Cruncher on here about this where I said that I understand the thinking behind the current rules. However, I think if we're going to be fairly draconian with the punishments handed out it's imperative that the disciplinary is fit for purpose and I'm not convinced it is. There is still too much of a lottery feeling about the whole process. I still can't gety head around someone putting their fingers in someone's mouth being dealt with as no proof of intention. I've literally never known anyone to accidentally put their fingers in someone else's mouth...and leave them there ... unintentionally.

I’m not really for banning after the fact, however as they were both red cards, it would probably be fair enough for an automatic 1 match ban. I think anything over 1 match should be reserved for serious foul play.

I’ll be honest and say I don’t really remember the ins and outs of the Byrne tackle, but in terms of under the current grading system in regards to Makinson, I think it is clearly careless rather than reckless so again, I’d see it as a 1 game (someone with a better disciplinary record just getting a fine)

I said on redvee but there’s no evidence that says these MRP retroactive bans are reducing bad/head high tackles. The RFL have come out and said the data for this year has been that head contacts have been significantly reduced, but that clearly can’t be down to the MRP panel as they’ve been doing their crap for years without that effect. More likely, it’s due to the rules and interpretations being changed and being punished more harshly with cards on the day, with players trying to change to obviously not cost their team a game on the day. I don’t think there’s any need for the MRP system as it currently stands in any way. Perhaps a very streamlined system whereby they take a look at incidents of serious foul play that were missed by the ref at most. Other than that, just give a 1 game ban for red cards and an accumulation of yellow cards and be done with it

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:59 pm  

On a similar note, the fines are another absolute travesty that our players who are underpaid for what they do shouldn’t have to deal with.

Lomax getting £1,500 was an absolute joke, but they shouldn’t be dealing with these fines anyway. Imagine being fined for a mistake at work. ridiculous

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:18 am  

apollosghost wrote:

One of the fb RL pages, can't remember offhand which one, but it pops up on my feed does an accumulation every week, they call it "Only Bans" and as of last week HKR had the fewest with Wire just above them, if it pops up tomorrow I'll see where Saints are in the table

That would make interesting reading.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:01 am  

Reports all over Aus that Kyle Feldt is joining us. Disclaimer- RobRiches I've not started this rumour.

My thoughts are as I put on RV to save me typing twice.

On the face of it signing a 32 year old winger to replace a 32 year old winger doesn't sound like a clever decision..

However when you read the comments of the NQ fans they are sad to see him go. I think he is currently on 18 tries this season so clearly he is not a busted flush and we all know the SL is not at that standard. 1-2 years of him here helping the young lads would be a good decision and he's obviously still capable of playing at the top level.

Not sure of his record for injuries but he seems very durable and for all Tommy M is a legend and rightly so he is beginning to pick up injuries especially on his foot.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:02 am  

Stu M wrote:

Reports all over Aus that Kyle Feldt is joining us. Disclaimer- RobRiches I've not started this rumour.

My thoughts are as I put on RV to save me typing twice.

On the face of it signing a 32 year old winger to replace a 32 year old winger doesn't sound like a clever decision..

However when you read the comments of the NQ fans they are sad to see him go. I think he is currently on 18 tries this season so clearly he is not a busted flush and we all know the SL is not at that standard. 1-2 years of him here helping the young lads would be a good decision and he's obviously still capable of playing at the top level.

Not sure of his record for injuries but he seems very durable and for all Tommy M is a legend and rightly so he is beginning to pick up injuries especially on his foot.

Glad i've just read this Stu. On the other Wigan forum, someone has posted that Saints are after Eckersley and Feldt, but everyone has assumed he had a typo and it was Field . I dont watch NRL so have never heard of him, but clears up the confusion ont other board

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:03 am  

I've said all I've got to say about the ridiculous red card - until the next one is awarded, most likely at some point next weekend - but as for the ridiculous three-match ban, why is anyone surprised?

There are too many inconsequential people in the game who currently have power, and they aren't half exercising it. One of Rugby League's greatest attractions is its no-holds-barred, high-impact status. These little men in the Disciplinary are currently whittling that away simply because they can.

Years and years ago, I predicted on this forum that an immovable salary cap would see us haemorrhage players to other sports. I wasn't entirely right, most now stay in rugby league, but usually it's on the other side of the world ... and it's now become a standard arrangement that we do everything we can to develop young stars, often at great cost, and the NRL gains the benefit. I don't quote this to prove that I'm some kind of guru, but to me it was a no-brainer that this would happen ... and I feel the same way now.

We've chosen the wrong direction again. We have one of the greatest products on Earth, and yet here in the UK we seem constantly to be finding obstacles to put in our own path. We are the very definition of lions led by donkeys.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:09 am  

Cruncher wrote:

I've said all I've got to say about the ridiculous red card - until the next one is awarded, most likely at some point next weekend - but as for the ridiculous three-match ban, why is anyone surprised?

There are too many inconsequential people in the game who currently have power, and they aren't half exercising it. One of Rugby League's greatest attractions is its no-holds-barred, high-impact status. These little men in the Disciplinary are currently whittling that away simply because they can.

Years and years ago, I predicted on this forum that an immovable salary cap would see us haemorrhage players to other sports. I wasn't entirely right, most now stay in rugby league, but usually it's on the other side of the world ... and it's now become a standard arrangement that we do everything we can to develop young stars, often at great cost, and the NRL gains the benefit. I don't quote this to prove that I'm some kind of guru, but to me it was a no-brainer that this would happen ... and I feel the same way now.

We've chosen the wrong direction again. We have one of the greatest products on Earth, and yet here in the UK we seem constantly to be finding obstacles to put in our own path. We are the very definition of lions led by donkeys.

This isn't meant as anti-Wigan as they too have had some harsh bans this season. I also understand that Makinson has previous which would've influenced the ban.

However imagine showing a fan of another sport the Makinson red card and Harry Smith at Leeds and then telling them that both players received the same amount of games as a ban...

I don't think we'll win the appeal but a reduction to 2 would be nice so that he can play his last game at home for us. He deserves to go out on his own terms and not be remembered for his last home game as being sent off.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:11 am  

Cruncher wrote:

I've said all I've got to say about the ridiculous red card - until the next one is awarded, most likely at some point next weekend - but as for the ridiculous three-match ban, why is anyone surprised?

There are too many inconsequential people in the game who currently have power, and they aren't half exercising it. One of Rugby League's greatest attractions is its no-holds-barred, high-impact status. These little men in the Disciplinary are currently whittling that away simply because they can.

Years and years ago, I predicted on this forum that an immovable salary cap would see us haemorrhage players to other sports. I wasn't entirely right, most now stay in rugby league, but usually it's on the other side of the world ... and it's now become a standard arrangement that we do everything we can to develop young stars, often at great cost, and the NRL gains the benefit. I don't quote this to prove that I'm some kind of guru, but to me it was a no-brainer that this would happen ... and I feel the same way now.

We've chosen the wrong direction again. We have one of the greatest products on Earth, and yet here in the UK we seem constantly to be finding obstacles to put in our own path. We are the very definition of lions led by donkeys.

Someone put the Makinson red card on Twitter in Australia and the NRL fans could not believe it. Some didn't even think it was a yellow card, some didn't even think it was a penalty!

The two comps are so different its untrue.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:14 am  

Stu M wrote:

This isn't meant as anti-Wigan as they too have had some harsh bans this season. I also understand that Makinson has previous which would've influenced the ban.

However imagine showing a fan of another sport the Makinson red card and Harry Smith at Leeds and then telling them that both players received the same amount of games as a ban...

I don't think we'll win the appeal but a reduction to 2 would be nice so that he can play his last game at home for us. He deserves to go out on his own terms and not be remembered for his last home game as being sent off.

The fact that Makinson, a famously affable player, who until this new era of nonsense descended on us, had few if any disciplinary issues, is even facing this possibility is in itself a disgrace.

But none of that will have been taken into consideration by these arrogant nobodies who once again have seized the opportunity to flex their little muscles.