: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:13 am  

Alex BP' wrote:

Bingo.

Hansen - Defence
O'Loughlin - Attack/Defence
Tomkins - Attack

Hock - Impact

I assume of the Mecca type?

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:19 am  

Alex BP' wrote:

As a big Bailey critic I can't see how supporters can be content with just a good defensive display. You talk about 'one dimensional view of the game' but surely this is what you're doing by being satisfied by just his defensive side of his game? How many times do you see Bailey running good angles off the halfbacks, making breaks, seeing him in space and linking up with the backs? On the few occaisions he does link up with backs he stops the flow of play and fails to create opportunities.

What did Bailey do different on Sunday that Harrison Hansen can't? IMO Hansen is a better attacking player, especially when in close radius to the opposition tryline.

Hansen was sat on the bench for too long on Sunday and it's shame considering it was for the expence of Bailey.

Good post!! This is what ive been saying and Baileys probably on more than Hansen and Tomkins wages put together! Is he that much better than them??? I think not!

Another problem i feel is the fact that Noble see's the loose-forward as being just another second rower, this was highlighted in the recent J.Tomkins interview on the website when he was asked which role he prefered playing, loose or second row and he said he didnt mind as their virtually the same.

Is this just a problem at Wigan and another reason to explain our lack of expansive rugby?? Or is this now the same at every club in the modern game??

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:24 am  

Nogga wrote:

Good post!! This is what ive been saying and Baileys probably on more than Hansen and Tomkins wages put together! Is he that much better than them??? I think not!

But what does his salary have to do with anything?

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:27 am  

AJ wrote:

But what does his salary have to do with anything?

I expect better from somebody using up such a chunk of the salary cap. Do you think he's worth over £100,000 a year??

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:32 am  

AJ wrote:

But what does his salary have to do with anything?

That when his contribution can be covered by 2 players on less money than him (combined) his wages could be spent on a more useful player such as a true standoff or prop.....

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:33 am  

Nogga wrote:

I expect better from somebody using up such a chunk of the salary cap. Do you think he's worth over £100,000 a year??

It doesnt matter if he is worth it because thats what he is paid.

He wouldnt offer enough if he was paid 10k a year either compared to our other back rowers.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:33 am  

W!64N_ENTHUSI45T wrote:

That when his contribution can be covered by 2 players on less money than him (combined) his wages could be spent on a more useful player such as a true standoff or prop.....

But he has a contract, so that is a pointless argument.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:35 am  

AJ wrote:

It doesnt matter if he is worth it because thats what he is paid.

He wouldnt offer enough if he was paid 10k a year either compared to our other back rowers.

I suppose it just adds to the frustration, that this aussie journeyman is earning so much more than local lads who put in better performances.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:09 pm  

W!64N_ENTHUSI45T wrote:

That when his contribution can be covered by 2 players on less money than him (combined) his wages could be spent on a more useful player such as a true standoff or prop.....

And with any luck this will be the case next year.

: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:56 pm  

Nogga wrote:

Another problem i feel is the fact that Noble see's the loose-forward as being just another second rower, this was highlighted in the recent J.Tomkins interview on the website when he was asked which role he prefered playing, loose or second row and he said he didnt mind as their virtually the same.

Is this just a problem at Wigan and another reason to explain our lack of expansive rugby?? Or is this now the same at every club in the modern game??

What do people on here think about this?? What is the modern role of the loose forward?