Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:47 am  

age or health conditions are not mentioned here who is in icu / anyway
I am pro vax but pro choice and as far as the government goes they had parties whilst we were under house arrest and lied about it so how can you trust them

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:53 am  

WiganRL12345 wrote:

The 90% quoted figure I had seen regarding ICU was “up to 90% in ICU are unvaccinated” which again, miss represents the true facts.

Do you have a link to the above so that I can have a look at it? Btw I am not trying to argue here I am genuinely interested in seeing an article and data to support without a media slant on it.

Regarding the last sentence I’m not sure how that can be stated as statistically proven when directly above you talk about converting up to per 100k people and use the words far more likely

Because if there 100,000 vaccinated and 100,000 unvaccinated or 1million of each then there would far more of the unvaccinated hospitalised, in icu and die. Never mind how less likely you are to co tract or transmit in the first place.

So you are far more likely if you are unvaccinated to experience one of those 3

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:03 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Because if there 100,000 vaccinated and 100,000 unvaccinated or 1million of each then there would far more of the unvaccinated hospitalised, in icu and die. Never mind how less likely you are to co tract or transmit in the first place.

So you are far more likely if you are unvaccinated to experience one of those 3

There is literally no way of knowing that. You cannot test for that due to the differing factors

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:38 pm  

WiganRL12345 wrote:

There is literally no way of knowing that. You cannot test for that due to the differing factors

So you can't statistically measure it ? Yeah ok

Seems quite easy to me
***5 million unvaccinated - 1000 in ICU/Die
***50 million vaccinated - 2000 in ICU/Die

You are far more likely to end up in ICU/Die if you are unvaccinated

*** Made up numbers for illustrative purposes

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:48 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

So you can't statistically measure it ? Yeah ok

Seems quite easy to me
***5 million unvaccinated - 1000 in ICU/Die
***50 million vaccinated - 2000 in ICU/Die

You are far more likely to end up in ICU/Die if you are unvaccinated

*** Made up numbers for illustrative purposes

You are missing the point, it isn’t a comparable test based on age, weight, medical history. Plus, if you are vaxxed you can’t then be unvaxxed to see what would have happened and vice versa.

The fact that you have put a bunch of made up numbers in for illustration means absolutely nothing.

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:50 pm  

knockonknockon wrote:

age or health conditions are not mentioned here who is in icu / anyway
I am pro vax but pro choice and as far as the government goes they had parties whilst we were under house arrest and lied about it so how can you trust them

What’s age and health conditions got to do with it?

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:53 pm  

WiganRL12345 wrote:

You are missing the point, it isn’t a comparable test based on age, weight, medical history. Plus, if you are vaxxed you can’t then be unvaxxed to see what would have happened and vice versa.

The fact that you have put a bunch of made up numbers in for illustration means absolutely nothing.

I don’t think you understand the point being made.

The below will help.

Yes or No do you agree with the following?

1 - you are more likely to be hospitalised with covid if you are unvaccinated
2 - you are more likely to end up in ICU if you are unvaccinated
3 - you are more likely to die from covid if you are unvaccinated

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:59 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

What’s age and health conditions got to do with it?

It has everything to do with it.

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:00 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

I don’t think you understand the point being made.

The below will help.

Yes or No do you agree with the following?

1 - you are more likely to be hospitalised with covid if you are unvaccinated
2 - you are more likely to end up in ICU if you are unvaccinated
3 - you are more likely to die from covid if you are unvaccinated

It’s not black and white/yes or no generalised like that. This is the whole point I’m trying to make.

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:06 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

What’s age and health conditions got to do with it?

if you think old age and pre existing health conditions are not a factor / you are arguing for the sake of it / the average age death rate due to covid is about 80 / go figure