Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:11 pm  

knockonknockon wrote:

if you think old age and pre existing health conditions are not a factor / you are arguing for the sake of it / the average age death rate due to covid is about 80 / go figure

Of course he does!!!!!

But if you had 1 or 10,000 or 100,000 or 1milion similar health conditioned people each of Vaccinated & unvaccinated then there would be more unvaccinated in ICU/Die

If you are trying to make out that the only reason the higher per capita of people dying unvaxxed is because medically they are more at risk and thus are more susceptible to experience issues then that is one MASSIVE step (Sorry Itchy for the caps).

As an individual each has their own right to do what they want

As a society it is 100% fact that statistically you are far more likely to end up in ICU or Die if you are unvaxxed as compared to a similar aged/Health etc. person who is vaccinated.

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:30 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Of course he does!!!!!

But if you had 1 or 10,000 or 100,000 or 1milion similar health conditioned people each of Vaccinated & unvaccinated then there would be more unvaccinated in ICU/Die

If you are trying to make out that the only reason the higher per capita of people dying unvaxxed is because medically they are more at risk and thus are more susceptible to experience issues then that is one MASSIVE step (Sorry Itchy for the caps).

As an individual each has their own right to do what they want

As a society it is 100% fact that statistically you are far more likely to end up in ICU or Die if you are unvaxxed as compared to a similar aged/Health etc. person who is vaccinated.

The key word here being “similar” even then I still can’t see how anyone can claim that as fact.

Do you have any evidence other than anecdotal to say this is true.

Before you do, can we please define what we mean by vaccinated is it 1, 1 and 2 or 1, 2 and 3?

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:35 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Of course he does!!!!!

But if you had 1 or 10,000 or 100,000 or 1milion similar health conditioned people each of Vaccinated & unvaccinated then there would be more unvaccinated in ICU/Die

If you are trying to make out that the only reason the higher per capita of people dying unvaxxed is because medically they are more at risk and thus are more susceptible to experience issues then that is one MASSIVE step (Sorry Itchy for the caps).

As an individual each has their own right to do what they want

As a society it is 100% fact that statistically you are far more likely to end up in ICU or Die if you are unvaxxed as compared to a similar aged/Health etc. person who is vaccinated.

omicron is less deadly than flu so stop over hyping the situation thats the point here / more elderly unvaxed may be in icu and snuff it yes I agree but leave the rest alone who are young fit and dont want jabbing thats all

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:43 pm  

knockonknockon wrote:

omicron is less deadly than flu so stop over hyping the situation thats the point here / more elderly unvaxed may be in icu and snuff it yes I agree but leave the rest alone who are young fit and dont want jabbing thats all

Is that point not because so many people are vaccinated?

Hence the importance of knowing the figures for those in hospital who are unvaccinated…

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:48 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Is that point not because so many people are vaccinated?

Hence the importance of knowing the figures for those in hospital who are unvaccinated…

with omicron or of it

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:07 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Is that point not because so many people are vaccinated?

Hence the importance of knowing the figures for those in hospital who are unvaccinated…

Then by definition you are classing everyone with 2 jabs or less as unvaccinated as the media campaign and everywhere you look is saying;

“Every adult in the country now needs to get a Covid-19 booster vaccine, because two doses does not give you enough protection against catching Omicron.”

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:24 pm  

WiganRL12345 wrote:

Then by definition you are classing everyone with 2 jabs or less as unvaccinated as the media campaign and everywhere you look is saying;

“Every adult in the country now needs to get a Covid-19 booster vaccine, because two doses does not give you enough protection against catching Omicron.”

No it doesn't give you "Enough", but that doesn't mean it doesn't give you something

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:51 pm  

knockonknockon wrote:

omicron is less deadly than flu so stop over hyping the situation thats the point here / more elderly unvaxed may be in icu and snuff it yes I agree but leave the rest alone who are young fit and dont want jabbing thats all

No it's nit, and it oy isn't worse due to the vaccine roll out
If the ones tour talking about don't want to jabe that's fine, no one on here has said mandatory jabs should be on place
But don't expect everyone to standby and take in/believe the rubbish to justify their stance.

It's absolutely the case that most per capita ICUs and deaths are happening in unvaccinated (and youd be surprised it is now getting more and more younger ones).

Don't be surprised in response when people remind everyone of that.
(I suppose that's my way of saying I won't keep responding I'd other people don't keep pushing).

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:11 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

No it's nit, and it oy isn't worse due to the vaccine roll out
If the ones tour talking about don't want to jabe that's fine, no one on here has said mandatory jabs should be on place
But don't expect everyone to standby and take in/believe the rubbish to justify their stance.

It's absolutely the case that most per capita ICUs and deaths are happening in unvaccinated (and youd be surprised it is now getting more and more younger ones).

Don't be surprised in response when people remind everyone of that.
(I suppose that's my way of saying I won't keep responding I'd other people don't keep pushing).

So in summary what you are saying is that Omicron is more deadly than flu but the only reason that the data doesn’t suggest it is more deadly than flu is because people are vaccinated with two doses.

But you now need another dose to reduce your risk of catching Omicron and going into hospital becoming seriously ill as the ‘majority’ as you say are unvaccinated in these hospitals and ICU. Again, can you define unvaccinated?

Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:35 pm  

Most of the experts have said that having a low general level of covid is desirable as it reduce the risk of new strains, which is an argument for us all getting vaxxed.
That said, if you believe it’s a ploy by big pharma, Hitler is alive in Argentina, Armstrong didn’t walk on the moon, Trump won the election etc then don’t take the vaccine, but by effectively ‘opting out’, I think you should lose your rights to healthcare if you do get it.
Travel insurance providers now state in their covid cover If you’ve refused any doses of the vaccine or haven’t been able to have a dose you’ve been offered, you won’t be covered.