It's all good and well saying he moved Gildart to the centres, but he's always been a centre as far as i'm aware? I thought you used to run with Tierney at full back with Williams and Rocky in the halves. Then Gabe Fell played at full back. No idea who's played there this year as i've not followed it as much, but Gildart has always played centre. No idea where you got the idea he played FB from.

Gildart has played a few games at fullback for the U19's this season and acquitted himself well when Fell was out. Tierney has only played five U19 games this season two at fullback, two on the wing and one as sub.



I would agree though that Gildart is primarily a centre, although he's also played some of his junior rugby at #6

This. 100%. The move to FB never stifled Sams creativity or off the cuff play, and the attacking structures were designed to get his hands on the ball as often as possible in as much space as possible. It doesn't stop either half back dropping a shoulder and going themselves nor does it stop a short ball to a forward instead of going out the back. Rocky may have defensive issues or be dodgy under the high ball, I don't think we've seen enough of him to say whether he has or he hasn't tbh, but from an attacking perspective he's Sam Tomkins mkII at fullback for me.

Sorry, didn't make it clear that I meant Tierney played full back the year before this. Then Fell played there most of this season until injury. Gildart has nearly always played centre.



How do you reckon Bretherton will go now he's returning from injury?

Is there any more on the rumoured Brough / Patrick moves? Personally I hope both come to Wigan.

Ryan Bailey has joined Hull KR

I would assume the Scott Taylor issue would need to be finalised first before any potential signing.

I'm hoping all goes well for him. He played very well in his first season culminating in a place in Wigans U19 Grand Final win at Leeds whilst still only 17 years of age. I believe he's back in full training and hope he gets a run out v the aussie at Orrell on 29th November.

He was always a big lad for his age but that doesn't guarantee he'll stay bigger than his contemporaries. However he does have a "frame" that looks like he could develop into a big prop very much in the Lee Mossop mould.

The final was the first time I saw him and he made a real impact. Massive presence on the pitch with a cracking frame to build some real size on, he must be 6'4"-5". How come he has been out? Ligament/muscular issues?

ACL I believe when playing in the triangular Catalan, Leeds, Wigan academy tournament at the beginning of the year.

Nasty injury. I did my ACL 3 times on the same knee. Hope the lad makes a full recovery.

Seems to be a strong rumour that Leeds have let Bailey and Kirke go releasing space for Lee Mossop. I wouldn't be happy about this. I thought we had first refusal.



Still think of him as our player. Even if his fitness is suspect I'd rather he come back than us sign Larne Patrick.