Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:19 am  

I'm not a latics fan but i dont mean them any harm. My mates are latics fans and ive been the odd game. No different to some rugby games in terms of trouble.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:21 am  

The way rugby fans treat every football fan as a hooligan and turn every rugby issue into "football did it" just annoys me as a football fan

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:48 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

I'm not a latics fan but i dont mean them any harm. My mates are latics fans and ive been the odd game. No different to some rugby games in terms of trouble.

Yes it is
Comparing a larger percentage of trouble at football games to a smaller percentage of trouble at a rugby game, especially considering the amount of police in attendance comparatively etx. Is like comparing apples with deck chairs.
Football isnt as bad as it used to be, and to be honest neither is rugby in a lot of ways (someone cant fart now without fans of the opposition videoing it and sticking it all over social media and complaining about someone and blowing it out of all proportion)
But
The trouble is still there in it's own ways in both, and it's still far greater in football

I know 2 coppers who told me " Dont be fooled Ken, the trouble is still there, we just have it under control",

Dont know why they called me Ken, but I trust these 2 with my life!

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:55 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

I'm not a latics fan but i dont mean them any harm. .

What you keep accusing Cruncher of is him having much the same opinion as you, though.

You "Don't wish them any harm", whilst not being a fan.

Cruncher (and myself) don't actively wish them harm (bankruptcy), but wouldn't give 2 hoots if it happens.

That is not "wishing harm" and doesn't require an active reason - Apathy is the complete lack of caring about something, which by its very definition means that there can be no reason - You have to care to have a reason.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:56 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

I have a few mates that are latics fans. None of whom are scum or hooligans. They dislike wigan rugby but know the history of why

The 'history of why' - What, a throwaway line in an interview with Maurice LIndsey 35 years ago? That it? Given they have no natural footballing rival Latics fans have had to fashion an identity for their support which involves hating Wigan RL. Some try way too hard to impress and convince their fellow fans that they are big Latics men by going overboard on the Wigan RL thing. I don't think there's much more to it than that to be honest. No other set of football fans takes them seriously enough to get involved and we have the rivalry with Saints, which is a natural sporting rivalry. One that makes sense.
Hope Lenegan stiffs em'

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:20 pm  

Akinwale Arobieke wrote:

The 'history of why' - What, a throwaway line in an interview with Maurice LIndsey 35 years ago? That it? Given they have no natural footballing rival Latics fans have had to fashion an identity for their support which involves hating Wigan RL. Some try way too hard to impress and convince their fellow fans that they are big Latics men by going overboard on the Wigan RL thing. I don't think there's much more to it than that to be honest. No other set of football fans takes them seriously enough to get involved and we have the rivalry with Saints, which is a natural sporting rivalry. One that makes sense.
Hope Lenegan stiffs em'

I thought it was because Mo wouldnt let them use CP when they had work done at Springfield park which caused the Latics plenty of issues.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:27 pm  

Pieman wrote:

I thought it was because Mo wouldnt let them use CP when they had work done at Springfield park which caused the Latics plenty of issues.

oh aye yeah I recall that. Seem to remember the reason being the cost implications of ensuring crowd segregation at Central Park for a football game. It was just for the Liverpool cup game wasn't it?

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:46 pm  

Pieman wrote:

I thought it was because Mo wouldnt let them use CP when they had work done at Springfield park which caused the Latics plenty of issues.

Don't think it was work, think they wanted to use it for a League cup Qtr Final game versus Liverpool in the Late 80's?
There was the interview thing also

End of the day at various points each club has been on the Up or on the way down at various times, and neither has had major support off the other.

I hope Latics survive, the Town needs both and certainly will Post Covid when opposing fans boost the economy, Each club needs the other more than they'd care to admit.
I have very good friends that were made redundant by this issue and I'm gutted for them
Wigan Rugby fans would certainly not be happy if the state of the ground got significantly worse, although the pitch issue is slightly less important for us it will certainly not benefit us playing on pitches that aren't having Hundreds of Thousands a year spent on it rather than a Few quid.

I'm indifferent to them as a club/sport - I've got past the Bandwagon days of the Mid 00's up to around 2013 when suddenly they had 15/20,000 Lifelong supporters and not the 2/3k that used to actually turn up giving me stick about being in there stadium.
Water under the bridge now as far as I'm concerned.

I'm a little surprised that the Leneghan Bid didn't take off, but if he couldn't find support from within the town (Whelan/Ainscough etc.) then it's certainly not something IMO that he could do on his own (Bit without knowing who was or wasn't in it with him it's hard to say).
I think it is fair to say that any football club IFL was involved in would have to "Cut it's cloth" and given the current status of their income/outgoings their current level is closer to bottom of 2nd division as it is championship, and maybe the Administrators think that other bids, with more capital to invest provide a better chance for the club to move forward long term (Rather than IFL buying them for £1 and their future be Lower leagues living by their means).

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:51 pm  

The Liverpool at Central Park was a complete non-starter. It was 5 months after Hillsborough, and at the time the assumption by the world was that the disaster had been caused by rampaging scousers. Central Park had zero segregation and was a decrepit old ground.

Lindsay's comments about them being a smashing little club playing in our backyard were patronising. But then again, he was a slimy individual anyway, and wasn't universally popular with our support. It just showed him up to be an ungracious weasel.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:07 pm  

muttywhitedog wrote:

The Liverpool at Central Park was a complete non-starter. It was 5 months after Hillsborough, and at the time the assumption by the world was that the disaster had been caused by rampaging scousers. Central Park had zero segregation and was a decrepit old ground.

Lindsay's comments about them being a smashing little club playing in our backyard were patronising. But then again, he was a slimy individual anyway, and wasn't universally popular with our support. It just showed him up to be an ungracious weasel.

Along with being an absolute visionary too...

For me Maurice doesn't get half the amount of credit he deserves.