: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:44 am  

twosevenzero wrote:

How long did it take for Alex Ferguson to win something at United ?, that was'nt a bad decision to keep faith with him was it !!!

Yeah, but he gave the youngsters a Go didnt he!

Sorry, He did, 8 years after arriving, Going through some rough patches, stabilizing the club, getting them to match and eventually take over the previous Top 2 (Liverpool & Arsenal) and then bringing them into a stable & Successful team! Despite being often described as a Limited coach.



I wonder what we should do???

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:46 am  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

United (as much as I dislike them) play an attractive game, though. That is Jonh's point. One I fully agree with. We play dull rugby!!

They didnt around 87/88/89 when he nearly got the sack and at some points were truly awful!
But they gave hon time & Had patience!

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:48 am  

Jukesays wrote:

They didnt around 87/88/89 when he nearly got the sack and at some points were truly awful!
But they gave hon time & Had patience!

Mmm. So, if I get your drift, I have another 4 years to wait before I start enjoying myself again?

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:50 am  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

United (as much as I dislike them) play an attractive game, though. That is Jonh's point. One I fully agree with. We play dull rugby!!

They do now, not in the first few seasons until the club stabalised.

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:52 am  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

Mmm. So, if I get your drift, I have another 4 years to wait before I start enjoying myself again?

Surely you dont go just for enjoyment do you !!!!!!!

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:09 pm  

twosevenzero wrote:

Surely you dont go just for enjoyment do you !!!!!!!

Wednesday was great wasn't it.
Or did the adverts come on in your house?

Re: Nobby doubters : Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:11 pm  

jonh wrote:

It is as valid a line as pointing towards his trophies won with another club in my opinion.

Regards Edwards you could say he is having a bad spell, but for him to be considered a failure he would have to walk away when the club was on a downward spiral. Not sure what state they were in when he took over though so its hard to say.

I do not necessarily think Noble is a bad coach, but i do think he is very limited and his career has proven this to date in my opinion, this year for me will be the acid test where he has the chance to prove he is not as limited as i and some others think.

Not really Jonh. What he did at another club is fact and so is a fair arbiter of his abilities as a coach. Whether he can take us to the next level is conjecture and so is merely opinion. There are points from both sides that I agree with (which is the reason I didn't want to enter the debate in absolute terms) and I agree this, and possibly next, season will be the acid test of his time with us.

Re Edwards: As I understand it Wasps have always been one of the top sides and, although I don't know for certain (read: can't be ar*ed looking! haha), feel certain they would have won something within the years precdating Edwards joining. If Wigan were to poach him as a coach now, as they did Nobby, then in your terms he will be a bad coach having left them in a 'worse state' than when he arrived. Just a point I'm making. I, of course, don't regard him as a bad coach!

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:14 pm  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

Mmm. So, if I get your drift, I have another 4 years to wait before I start enjoying myself again?

Not really, They won the FA Cup 90 (That was 4 seasons) and the Premier League in 92/93 (After Blowing it the year earlier).

I think Most Man U Fans would have taken that in Fergusons 4th/5th/6th season after where they had been previous?

Look, The ususal suspects accuse Me & Others of Blindly accepting everything Noble does, That is far from the Truth.

There are many decisions/performances etc That I have been upset about or disagreed with.

My objection is with certain Posters who IMHO it seems can't wait to Bag the club and Hope for Poor performances & results just to Back up their Judgement on Noble/IL and increase their Ego's. (As I said earlier I am partly excusing Jonh on this ).

We as a club are seeing what the shoe is like on the other foot and "Some" fans can't accept that we have had to eat Humble Pie in the Bragging stakes for a While (An maybe a while longer) before the Universe is Back on track.

On the other Hand, I can't wait for the New season and get excited/dissappointed before & after every match, isnt that what supporting a team is all about?

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:16 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Wednesday was great wasn't it.
Or did the adverts come on in your house?

Fell asleep, I've tried, but I just dont know what all the fuss is about, roll on 3 o'clock tomorrow !!!!!!!!!

Re: Nobby doubters : Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:17 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Not really Jonh. What he did at another club is fact and so is a fair arbiter of his abilities as a coach. Whether he can take us to the next level is conjecture and so is merely opinion. There are points from both sides that I agree with (which is the reason I didn't want to enter the debate in absolute terms) and I agree this, and possibly next, season will be the acid test of his time with us.

Re Edwards: As I understand it Wasps have always been one of the top sides and, although I don't know for certain (read: can't be ar*ed looking! haha), feel certain they would have won something within the years precdating Edwards joining. If Wigan were to poach him as a coach now, as they did Nobby, then in your terms he will be a bad coach having left them in a 'worse state' than when he arrived. Just a point I'm making. I, of course, don't regard him as a bad coach!

I agree but it is a fact when he left they were on a downer and one which was not going to get better any time soon, in fact the Bulls like us this year some would claim are putting wrong the rights of previous coaches.

If the decline of a club is long term when a coach leaves then they have failed in my opinion, Wasps i do not think (also not sure and cba checking) the dominant force they became under the coaching of Edwards.