: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:17 pm  

zclibbens wrote:

Welcome to the life of a Leeds fan, we get every single match

hahha you having a laugh your teams like man u got every ref in there pocket an sinfield s like rio ferdinand moan moan moan

Re: The Referee : Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:33 pm  

shooter69 wrote:

were not tlking just about pens an blowing up mr smith or ganson were talking about getting things RIGHT

well thats where it always fails. because with every call a ref makes a % of people will always say its wrong.

we could go through all the calls that you or anyone else think are wrong, us as fans will always disagree.

fans always think they know better than the refs. but in truth we dont. we all think refs are $hite sometimes, but you have to win despite the ref. the job they do is very tough. ganson gave 21 pens in the leeds wakey game! it was shocking.

ian smith let the game run last night. how you can say ian smith helped your downfall when he didnt give leeds a pen until an hour into the game i will never know.

im totally flabbergasted by what some people see.

you would think wigan's tactics against leeds since noble came wernt to lay on, spoil the play, slow it down, kill the flow of a game. wigan bend the rules as much as they can like ever team in the league.

at worst smith was as good/bad for both teams. i thought you got away with murder at the play the ball all night. some wigans fans will think leeds did. thats life.

after having ganson for 2 out of 4 league games this year i was just happy to see a game flow

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:44 pm  

shooter69 wrote:

hahha you having a laugh your teams like man u got every ref in there pocket an sinfield s like rio ferdinand moan moan moan

i think you have a short memory!! hanley, one of the greatest captains of all time not just for wigan but any where he played and one of my biggest rugby hero's, questioned everything and told the ref what to do in every game he played in. hanley quite simply refed the game.

its what good captains try and do in all sport. i just dont get blinkered views of our game and sport in general.

you have beef because you got a bit of a spanking and it hurts. if you want to blame anyone look no further than the blokes who pull on the shirt

rl : Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:47 am  

We were 6-0 down before we touched the ball.
From then on we tried to play catch up and the ball went to ground.
From being stood behind the sticks I reckoned we completed two sets in the first 30 minutes. Do that at Leeds and you'll get hammered and we did. After 30 mins we were 22-0 down. There was never any coming back from that. Some bad decisions went against us but Ian Smith didn't lose us the game. If you thought the match & video ref were poor then email Stuart Cummings.
The positive I got from the game was that whatever happened out there didn't knock their spirit. They kept it going however bad it got.
I was more annoyed by the losses to Wakey & Cas when we were beaten but the team spirit was poor and there was nothing there from the players.
Friday at Leeds the team spirit looked very good, if they keep that going they'll be OK.

Re: The Referee : Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:13 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

well thats where it always fails. because with every call a ref makes a % of people will always say its wrong.

we could go through all the calls that you or anyone else think are wrong, us as fans will always disagree.
fans always think they know better than the refs. but in truth we dont. we all think refs are $hite sometimes, but you have to win despite the ref. the job they do is very tough. ganson gave 21 pens in the leeds wakey game! it was shocking.

ian smith let the game run last night. how you can say ian smith helped your downfall when he didnt give leeds a pen until an hour into the game i will never know.

im totally flabbergasted by what some people see.

you would think wigan's tactics against leeds since noble came wernt to lay on, spoil the play, slow it down, kill the flow of a game. wigan bend the rules as much as they can like ever team in the league.

at worst smith was as good/bad for both teams. i thought you got away with murder at the play the ball all night. some wigans fans will think leeds did. thats life.

after having ganson for 2 out of 4 league games this year i was just happy to see a game flow

Check the statement in bold.

Surely you don't disagree that both so called knock-ons from Hock (one on your line where we should have had another set of six but instead you got the penalty, kicked a 40/20 and scored off the back of it !) were reefs? That's not opinion, that's the ref getting it wrong!

Surely you don't think the fact that, having penalised Riddell for 'not having both feet over the line' when defending our try line, we then go up field where, despite him repeatedly shouting 'both feet' at your players (so was watching for the offence) first McGuire, then Lee Smith didn't yet he chose not to penalise you? That's the ref getting it wrong!

Surely you don't think that, having called held, JJB carries on with the play which, by the rules of the game is a penalty Wigan, Smith decides to let him walk back to the point of the tackle and play the ball. That's not opinion, that's the ref getting it wrong!

I could go on...

Now I accept that other things can be a matter of opinion, the allowed/disallowed tries, forward passes etc. but Smith got too much wrong last night and, whichever way you look at it, altered the course of the game. I'm not saying he was to blame for the loss but it's a fair point to say it's unnacceptable.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:21 pm  

I've just said in another post, Leeds third try was a forward pass and a knock on.

Kirke passes the ball forward, clearly shown by the 20 metre line, and the ball hits the ground before Donald picks it up, which by definition is a knock on.

The referee cannot go to the screen for a forward pass but he can for a knock on.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:32 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I've just said in another post, Leeds third try was a forward pass and a knock on.

Kirke passes the ball forward, clearly shown by the 20 metre line, and the ball hits the ground before Donald picks it up, which by definition is a knock on.

The referee cannot go to the screen for a forward pass but he can for a knock on.

That was a very important try in the context of the match as well

Apart from the first 20 minutes on Friday I thought we were alright

We just didn't get the bounce of the ball (Donald's try) or the close calls (Hock's no try) and even a couple blatantly obvious calls (Burrow's try, Hock getting the ball ripped)

If those things went our way the result of the match would have still gone their way (rightfully so) but it would have been a lot closer and a lot more exciting game

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:56 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I've just said in another post, Leeds third try was a forward pass and a knock on.

Kirke passes the ball forward, clearly shown by the 20 metre line, and the ball hits the ground before Donald picks it up, which by definition is a knock on.

The referee cannot go to the screen for a forward pass but he can for a knock on.

And none of them jokers at Sky even mentioned it

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:09 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I've just said in another post, Leeds third try was a forward pass and a knock on.

Kirke passes the ball forward, clearly shown by the 20 metre line, and the ball hits the ground before Donald picks it up, which by definition is a knock on.

The referee cannot go to the screen for a forward pass but he can for a knock on.

Donald definitley picks the ball up in front of where Kirke passed it, however, IMO the initial pass went backwards and then bounced forward. IIRC don't the rules say this is play on. I may be wrong on this though and the only replays I have seen were on the screen at the opposite end of the ground on Friday. As a Leeds fan I was glad Smith didn't go to the screen as I wouldn't have been surprised to see it disallowed.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:23 pm  

Dirty Pretty Thing wrote:

Donald definitley picks the ball up in front of where Kirke passed it, however, IMO the initial pass went backwards and then bounced forward. IIRC don't the rules say this is play on. I may be wrong on this though and the only replays I have seen were on the screen at the opposite end of the ground on Friday. As a Leeds fan I was glad Smith didn't go to the screen as I wouldn't have been surprised to see it disallowed.

Never!

If you look were Kirke unloads the ball lands at least a yard in front of were he released it! He also has a defender on his right side, he would be a magician to make it go back travelling at that speed and to get the pass backwards around the defender?
IF
Donald Catches it you could bring in momentum but he didn't therefore isn't that a Knock on???

On the other Hand - Benefit of the Doubt for Peacocks try???
Donald's touchdown after Ainscough Mis Kick (I think it was just about a try but I've seen them ruled out).
Hock's disallowed were Ablett made No atttempt to get on the outside of the O'Loughlin to make the tackle on Hock.
Centimetres in Ainscough offside decision.
Richards over the top pass to Bailey? Definately went forward but less so IMO than Kirkes to Donald.

Overall I dont believe it was Completely Leeds Great play that created the 22-0 situation, We were at least 50% responsible with our poor ball control in key areas.
I agree with Carney comments Post Match (BTW Cant we have him instead of Offiah in future On SKY?) were he said there was a lot to work with at Wigan as the mistakes that led to the 22-0 lead were fixable.

Overall I thought Smith had a poor game (Both Sides) but I do believe it is better to see a game flow like that than a Penaltython of 12 months ago!