Re: Our "forwards" : Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:35 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

It's two weeks now since the Salford debacle and I'm finally past the shock it gave me.
The current pack are not good enough full stop but they still have to show some pride.
We need to get back to our full on aggression and take no shoite.
Against Wire there were 3 incidents where our forwards should have taken the initiative but did nothing.
Sims had a dig at Williams. He should have got cleaned out.
Sims was basically taking the urine out of Flower before forming a scrum and Flower did nothing. Flower has made his bed but he owes it to himself and the team to get back to a very aggressive type if forward. Flower should have sorted Sims out in next set of six. If he can't do this anymore then pay him off.
Patrick got involved in some pushing and shoving believing he had been fouled or whatever. He should have taken on the nearest opponent to him and had a go at sorting him out.

It seems our forwards can't cross a line either subconsciously or it's the party since the GF.
It is now 9 months since Flower got his deserved punishment it is time to move on.
SW should cease all interviews for the rest of the season and any other marketing tripe that the club has to do these days. KR can do that.
We are viewed quite rightly as pussies at the moment SW has got to get us back to mongrels. It may not work but at least as fans we can get some pride back knowing that the forwards are at least giving concerted effort.
MM to do a full 80 minutes. If this is not possible due to an injury if possible put SOL there while he has a breather. Powell, Williams et al are not capable of continuing an aggressive approach. I actually prefer Bateman to cover the 9 but from what I hear he may not be available for sometime.
I never thought I would say this but let's get back to 4 forwards on the bench and accept that with the present pack we do need that backup rather than wasting a place with Powell who to be fair to him just isn't capable of covering MM.

Nothing new or earth shattering but as a minimum may just spark a bit of pride that the fans badly need at the moment.

As Bateman got a bad injury, Wane said he was just resting him.

Re: Our "forwards" : Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:02 pm  

Watching Leeds last night the thought crossed my mind whether we could tempt Peacock to delay his retirement for 12 months and give us a season ala Quentin Pongia style. He is exactly the kind of leader that some of our younger props like Crosby and Sutton could only benefit from being around. Plus he is still playing longer minutes than our props.

Re: Our "forwards" : Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:18 pm  

Not a chance Peacock will come here, even if he does delay his retirement.

We need to be looking to the NRL for a pack leader, as Leeds and Wire have done and as Saints will do with Mosoe leaving.

Re: Our "forwards" : Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:23 pm  

Peacock will be Hull KR Director of rugby next season.

Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:47 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

We possibly don't have the individuals in the prop department (Micky Mac and Bateman are ultra aggressive though) but as a collective we used to bully the likes of Saints all over the place. We'd also take it to Wire and last year at Magic we terrorised Leeds and had them rattled.

Fast forward to this year with a similar set of props and they're serving up that! Why? It makes me think there are some issues behind the scenes.

For me, part of the reason that Wigan were so hard in previous years to beat was your linespeed. This was probably a factor in your backs having to carry the ball so much - your forwards were setting your linespeed. You seem to have retained the part where your backs carry the ball so much, except the reason for that, your forwards setting an ultra fast linespeed, no longer occurs.

Wigg'n wrote:

Not a chance Peacock will come here, even if he does delay his retirement.

We need to be looking to the NRL for a pack leader, as Leeds and Wire have done and as Saints will do with Mosoe leaving.

Given Peacock has already signed a contract to be Director of Rugby at Hull KR, no chance he would delay his retirement either.

I think for your pack leader, it could be worth looking to the Championship. Our pack leader is Walmsley, Warrington's is Hill. The problem I suppose is that you need a pack leader NOW, not to develop in 2 years.

Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:14 pm  

Ashton Bears wrote:

As Bateman got a bad injury, Wane said he was just resting him.

Not sure if he is involved in the issue that will be announced but for the life of me couldn't see why he didn't play against Wire therefore, I assume that he is injured or in fact that he is part of the issue.

Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:19 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

Not sure if he is involved in the issue that will be announced but for the life of me couldn't see why he didn't play against Wire therefore, I assume that he is injured or in fact that he is part of the issue.

The direct quote from Wane was that Bateman was rested (due to playing more games than planned as he still needs building up) and with Gelling back Tomkins could go back to the pack giving the option of resting Bateman - I would take that at face value in the absence of any other official information.In fact I think the line was that Bateman is at around 90Kg and Wigan hoped to get him up to somewhere around 100Kg over time but this was being held back by having to play too many games due to injuries to other players - especially having to put Tomkins in the centres.

Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:25 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Peacock will be Hull KR Director of rugby next season.

Really

Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:39 pm  

exiled Warrior wrote:

The direct quote from Wane was that Bateman was rested (due to playing more games than planned as he still needs building up) and with Gelling back Tomkins could go back to the pack giving the option of resting Bateman - I would take that at face value in the absence of any other official information.In fact I think the line was that Bateman is at around 90Kg and Wigan hoped to get him up to somewhere around 100Kg over time but this was being held back by having to play too many games due to injuries to other players - especially having to put Tomkins in the centres.

Not sure how playing means that you can't put weight on?
Also he had just been off for two weeks so how much rest does a person need?
I sincerely hope you are correct and that once again I am wrong.

Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:02 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

Not sure how playing means that you can't put weight on?
Also he had just been off for two weeks so how much rest does a person need?
I sincerely hope you are correct and that once again I am wrong.

Also, resting Bateman with SOL missing is a clear coaching error IMO.