: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:46 am  

I have a shot of Donald which shows a gap between his arm and the ball. Can't post it though.

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:25 am  

Smith was getting brutal abuse from the Wigan fans when Hall scored his 2nd. He even had a look up and then a pint of lager was chucked in his direction, which I don't agree with as most of it went on me! . One woman I literally thought was going to explode, it was just pure expletives!

A very poor ref's performance on Friday, worst I've seen in ages. the ripping out of the ball from Hock (twice) were just rubbish and cost us tries on both occassions I think. Sure that Donald knocked on before passing to Burrow as well, not seen the TV replay since.

Well beaten all the same, but bad reffing annoys the fans big time.

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:10 pm  

If the match had not been televised the tries that Wigan had disallowed would have stood, because the Ref/assistant ref's made no objection.

that would have put us 6 points behind.

Consistantcy is what is needed to do this, the Video ref should be just that,
a video ref, there is only 1 televised match at a time, and the same person could pass judgement over all televised matches. Out of how may referees there are 1 should only be a Video ref.

With this there would be no different interpretations as he should(?) judge every decision the same, he would also be able to use previous decisions as an aid to make the correct decision

As for Smith......

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:12 pm  

wiganrlforever wrote:

And none of them jokers at Sky even mentioned it

Thats because they know what they are talking about. And would not want to look a fool to the nation, like the fools on this message board.

It is not forward, It is clearly passed backwards with the movement of his hands. The speed of the play may well make the ball move flat, but then it bounces on the floor and forward from there. Donald does not tough the ball before picking up properly, as some numpty suggested.

Had that ball been forward we would have heard nothing else but that from the commentry team, remember two of which ex Wigan players, and one of which had to be reminded that he was supposed to be neutral.

And get your heads out of your bottys on the hock situations. One of those reefs was 50/50 fair enough, and thats 50/50 not certain, the others were clear dropped balls.

While we mention Smith getting things wrong. Where do you stand on the clear cheap shot punch for all to see from hock on Sinfield, whilst Loughling was hold of his collar and another Wigan player pulling at him? Or for that matter the eye gouging on Watkins underneath 3 Wigan players on top of him?

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:15 pm  

markyp3172 wrote:

If the match had not been televised the tries that Wigan had disallowed would have stood, because the Ref/assistant ref's made no objection.

No they wouldn't. And had they done it would have been wrong, with no doubt no complaining from the likes of you.

I was sat directly behind the obstruction situation and was screaming as to why Smith even went to the video. It was as clear a no try obstruciton as you are likely to see, and the touch judge indicated this to him immediatley.

As I was behind the posts I could not comment at the time on the offiside ruling, as I also could not see the video clearly. But on watching on TV later, you can see it is clear. The ref obviously knew this as he went to the video for checking.

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:39 pm  

DISA wrote:

Thats because they know what they are talking about. And would not want to look a fool to the nation, like the fools on this message board.

It is not forward, It is clearly passed backwards with the movement of his hands. The speed of the play may well make the ball move flat, but then it bounces on the floor and forward from there. Donald does not tough the ball before picking up properly, as some numpty suggested.

Had that ball been forward we would have heard nothing else but that from the commentry team, remember two of which ex Wigan players, and one of which had to be reminded that he was supposed to be neutral.

And get your heads out of your bottys on the hock situations. One of those reefs was 50/50 fair enough, and thats 50/50 not certain, the others were clear dropped balls.

While we mention Smith getting things wrong. Where do you stand on the clear cheap shot punch for all to see from hock on Sinfield, whilst Loughling was hold of his collar and another Wigan player pulling at him? Or for that matter the eye gouging on Watkins underneath 3 Wigan players on top of him?

I started highlighting all the occasions were Your FACTSare actually OPINIONS!

Then I realised that's exactly what Your Whole post is! An Opinion!

Having been sat at the Manly game a Fortnight earlier I can without a shadow of a doubt tell you that IMO Leeds fans are the Worst Losers I have ever come across, My 9 year old son being verbally abused by grown men (And not joking, actual abuse) at the ground before,during & after the game for wearing a Manly Shirt.
At least 6 fights I witnessed during and after the game instigated by Leeds "Supporters"!
Complete slating of the referee who IN MY OPINION had a good game!
The chanting of Baileys & Peacocks name after the Brawl's which IMO they Started as they realised they couldnt live with Manly!

Now I am sure you will have some different OPINIONS of these events and I don't doubt you will be right on some and wrong on others but Guess What?

You won't see me calling you a "Fool" or a "Numpty" etc

It must be Fantastic living in this Wonderful World were you are always right, Leeds Fans are always right, Your the best team and when you win your perfect and when you lose it's someone elses fault!
It reminds me very much of the World Saints Fans have lived in for the last 5 years or so & the one we lived in for 10 years or so in the 80's & 90's!

Guess What?

This world doesn't exist, You Don't know more than every other fan of every other team, Your team just wins more at the moment!

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:44 pm  

DISA wrote:

No they wouldn't.
IN YOUR OPINION

And had they done it would have been wrong, with no doubt no complaining from the likes of you.
IN YOUR OPINION

I was sat directly behind the obstruction situation and was screaming as to why Smith even went to the video. It was as clear a no try obstruciton as you are likely to see,
IN YOUR OPINION
and the touch judge indicated this to him immediatley.

As I was behind the posts I could not comment at the time on the offiside ruling, as I also could not see the video clearly. But on watching on TV later, you can see it is clear.
IN YOUR OPINION I agree BTW but again it's still an opinion.

The ref obviously knew this as he went to the video for checking.

But He didn't go for the Burrow Try from Kirkes (IMO) Forward pass.??

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:47 pm  

DISA wrote:

While we mention Smith getting things wrong. Where do you stand on the clear cheap shot punch for all to see from hock on Sinfield, whilst Loughling was hold of his collar and another Wigan player pulling at him? ?

It wasn't hard enough????

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:57 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

But He didn't go for the Burrow Try from Kirkes (IMO) Forward pass.??

So saying the dissallowing of Hocks, and the other try was right is an opinion?

Do me a favour mate. You were right on the Manly game that is all opinions. But your not right here.

They were both no try's as per the video ref not giving them. Both by the rules of the game. Thats not opinion, that is FACT.

: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:05 pm  

DISA wrote:

So saying the dissallowing of Hocks, and the other try was right is an opinion?

Yes And I agree with you on one & not on the other, That's all, Nothing contreversial, I don't think your a Numpty or whatever for having a different opinion.

Do me a favour mate. You were right on the Manly game that is all opinions. But your not right here.

In Your Opinion!

They were both no try's as per the video ref not giving them. Both by the rules of the game. Thats not opinion, that is FACT.

No!

He didn't give them is FACT

Should he have given them is an Opinion!
It may be hard for you to take in due to Never having been Wrong before but I live in hope that somewhere along the line it will!