: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:20 am  

THELAST3YARDS wrote:

wellens hayes haigh arnold stewart barrow leathem cunningham roby graham bennett stankevitch jonkers clough

off top of my head all won GF's, SL's or Challenge Cups

how consistent do you want?

That works out at just one player per season since 1996 and most of those that you mentioned are very average players.

Not very consistant at all really?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:25 am  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

You're stretching here and you know it!!

To breaking point

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:36 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

To breaking point

They have the medals / rings to be included as winners and part of this discussion.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:44 am  

THELAST3YARDS wrote:

They have the medals / rings to be included as winners and part of this discussion.

OK then. Do you care to answer Alex' post about you averaging about 1 player a season brought through since 1996?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:51 am  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

OK then. Do you care to answer Alex' post about you averaging about 1 player a season brought through since 1996?

i've just had a quick look through the lineups, and we are averging about 5 Academy players in the team in each of the Grand Final and Cup Final successes since 1996.

in the 1999 Grand Final we only had 2 (Cunningham and Wellens). 6 I think is the most...2002 Grand Final.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:53 am  

saints35 bulls0 wrote:

i've just had a quick look through the lineups, and we are averging about 5 or 6 Academy players in the team in each of the Grand Final and Cup Final successes since 1996.

Was I talking to you?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:55 am  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

Was I talking to you?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:20 am  

saints35 bulls0 wrote:

:D

I am right then

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:23 am  

2002 Challenge Cup Final
1 Kris Radlinski Full Back Paul Wellens 1
2 Brett Dallas Winger Anthony Stewart 19
15 Paul Johnson Centre Martin Gleeson 3
4 Gary Connolly Centre Paul Newlove 4
3 Jamie Ainscough Winger Darren Albert 5
6 Julian O'Neill Stand Off Tommy Martyn 20
7 Adrian Lam Scrum Half Sean Long 7
8 Terry O'Connor Prop Darren Britt 8
9 Terry Newton Hooker Keiron Cunningham 9
10 Craig Smith Prop Peter Shiels 12
11 Mick Cassidy 2nd Row Chris Joynt 11
12 David Furner 2nd Row Tim Jonkers 15
13 Andy Farrell L.Forward Paul Sculthorpe 13
- - - - -
5 Brian Carney Substitute Sean Hoppe 2
14 David Hodgson Substitute Barry Ward 10
18 Mark Smith Substitute John Stankevitch 14
21 Ricky Bibey Substitute Mick Higham 17

2004 Challenge Cup Final

St Helens: Wellens; Gardner, Gleeson, Talau, Albert; Hooper, Long; Fozzard, Cunningham, Mason, Joynt, Gilmour, Sculthorpe (capt). Subs: Feaunati, Bibey, Edmondson, Wilkin.

Wigan: Radlinski; Hodgson, O'Loughlin, Brown, Dallas; Orr, Lam; C Smith, Newton, Pongia, Hock, Tickle, Farrell (capt). Subs: O'Connor, Sculthorpe, Cassidy, Wild.

Referee: Karl Kirkpatrick (Warrington).

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

2002 Challenge Cup Final
1 Kris Radlinski Full Back Paul Wellens 1
2 Brett Dallas Winger Anthony Stewart 19
15 Paul Johnson Centre Martin Gleeson 3
4 Gary Connolly Centre Paul Newlove 4
3 Jamie Ainscough Winger Darren Albert 5
6 Julian O'Neill Stand Off Tommy Martyn 20
7 Adrian Lam Scrum Half Sean Long 7
8 Terry O'Connor Prop Darren Britt 8
9 Terry Newton Hooker Keiron Cunningham 9
10 Craig Smith Prop Peter Shiels 12
11 Mick Cassidy 2nd Row Chris Joynt 11
12 David Furner 2nd Row Tim Jonkers 15
13 Andy Farrell L.Forward Paul Sculthorpe 13
- - - - -
5 Brian Carney Substitute Sean Hoppe 2
14 David Hodgson Substitute Barry Ward 10
18 Mark Smith Substitute John Stankevitch 14
21 Ricky Bibey Substitute Mick Higham 17

2004 Challenge Cup Final

St Helens: Wellens; Gardner, Gleeson, Talau, Albert; Hooper, Long; Fozzard, Cunningham, Mason, Joynt, Gilmour, Sculthorpe (capt). Subs: Feaunati, Bibey, Edmondson, Wilkin.

Wigan: Radlinski; Hodgson, O'Loughlin, Brown, Dallas; Orr, Lam; C Smith, Newton, Pongia, Hock, Tickle, Farrell (capt). Subs: O'Connor, Sculthorpe, Cassidy, Wild.

Referee: Karl Kirkpatrick (Warrington).

Jonkers in 2002, and Edmondson in 2004.