FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Disrespect
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner6722No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 07 200321 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th May 15 10:1711th Mar 14 22:01LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
The Communist Cap - dragging down success and aspiration to the levels of those who cba.

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:28 pm  
I honestly can't see what the problem is.

Wane fields some young players against a relatively weak club. It ends up costing us the game.

So what?

The regular round friendlies are the ideal time to experiment.
markyp 
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach95No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 28 200816 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Oct 13 15:2928th Jul 13 01:46LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:48 pm  
wane said only last week on gmr that he would put his strongest team out every week,short memory. personally for the future of the club it doesnt bother me.the young lads will only learn from the game today.first team rugby is completely different than reserve rugby.blood em young
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5846
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 28 200618 years336th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th Sep 24 16:247th Jul 24 21:23LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
3 Peers
Signature
Officially RLFAN's most Doe-eyed Happy Clapper.

Big Steve wrote:
The Internet has provided some wonderful creativity, opportunities and knowledge sharing but it has also given a worldwide forum for people you would leave a full pint behind in the pub to avoid having to listen to them.

aboveusonlypie...
If you don't bother to go to the game when you live in the locality then you are not really a fan and therefore your views are invalid. It's simple.

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:57 pm  
XBrettKennyX wrote:
I honestly can't see what the problem is.

Wane fields some young players against a relatively weak club. It ends up costing us the game.

So what?

The regular round friendlies are the ideal time to experiment.


With you on this Brett.... I can't see the issue. Sadly we have to work within the Cap, so the sooner we learn how these youngsters respond the better. Would you rather that they came in for a first game in the frickin playoffs!!!! These lads are around the first team all week, they will know the plays and the setup. BUT, its in a game situation where you find out how people react. Thats what they are doing. Wise up people and smell the coffee!!! Some of these young men will be the backbone of our team for the next ten years. Get behind them, and the coach. Incidently, i don't believe for one moment that Wane will not have discussed this with IL. They will have known the risks.
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach363No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 02 200916 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
2nd Sep 16 14:358th Apr 15 09:48LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:38 pm  
Yes its annoying we lost the game and its our fault but a fine? Don't be ridiculous
DaveO 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200123 years339th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
4th May 24 14:0028th May 22 23:44LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Chester
Signature
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20
Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
Moderator

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:41 pm  
Wigan Peer wrote:
With you on this Brett.... I can't see the issue. Sadly we have to work within the Cap, so the sooner we learn how these youngsters respond the better. Would you rather that they came in for a first game in the frickin playoffs!!!! These lads are around the first team all week, they will know the plays and the setup. BUT, its in a game situation where you find out how people react. Thats what they are doing. Wise up people and smell the coffee!!! Some of these young men will be the backbone of our team for the next ten years. Get behind them, and the coach. Incidently, i don't believe for one moment that Wane will not have discussed this with IL. They will have known the risks.


Well if you had not noticed majority of opinion is saying that while blooding youngsters is a good idea against a team struggling like Widnes blooding so many is just not necessary and it cost us the match.

Now I don't know about you but I go to see Wigan win, not lose and when a defeat is basically self inflicted by a stupid section policy I think you can see why many fans are pretty angry about it.

There was no need to do this and the idea we needed to blood so many at one go is just not correct. There was just no reason to do it.

As to finding out how they will react all we know is how an inexperienced Wigan team will react not how the likes of Russell will fit into the first team set up. So it was a pointless exercise IMO (in more ways that one!).

These players are not going to be playing all together in the team any time soon but will be introduced gradually as players leave so there was just no point in doing what Wane did today. Chucking them all in the deep end is about as old fashioned an approach as you can get and should it be necessary for them all to cover for injuries in the play-offs I can tell you now we won't be doing very well in the play-offs despite them having this game because they are just not ready. So the idea we will be better for it should that happen is very wishful thinking IMO.

I have never known any club any certainly not Wigan adopt such an approach to blooding youngsters.

As to the result itself not mattering Wane's view pre-season was he wanted to cut out losses like this but he has engineered such a defeat instead. So which is it to be?

They also matter because not many fans adopt BK's view that the league competition is a complete waste of time. Fans pay their money to see the top players play not the reserves and few adopt the attitude the result does not matter.

We should be thankful the clubs are not that cynical and most of the time do try to win every game otherwise you may as well shut up shop. Wanes priority should have been to win the game and he could still have done that if he had made fewer changes.

Wane dropped a clanger but the worrying thing is he seems to think he didn't.
DaveO 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200123 years339th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
4th May 24 14:0028th May 22 23:44LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Chester
Signature
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20
Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
Moderator

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:52 pm  
pieeater123 wrote:
Yes its annoying we lost the game and its our fault but a fine? Don't be ridiculous


It used to be the case it was against the rules to field anything but your strongest side. A few seasons back the RFL tried to fine Saints £25K for not doing that until it was pointed out to them that the wording of the rules had been changed which basically meant you didn't need to any more.

That fiasco is what led to coaches having to name their teams in advance and have to pick it from the named 19 so fans didn't turn up expecting the 1st team only to find a team of reserves playing instead.

The trouble is even with a 19 man squad as we saw today you can still end up with a surprise selection and players such as Lockers dropped unexpectedly meaning the fans still feel short changed.

So while it is highly unlikely Wigan would be fined I certainly would not mind them getting a letter off the RFL telling the club not to take the mickey. Anything to stop Wane making the same mistake twice.
RankPostsTeam
International Star60No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 29 201014 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Jan 13 18:156th Jan 13 18:14LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:59 pm  
The rules are very clear you must put out your strongest team a 4 point deduction and a fine
Famous 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star1871No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 28 201014 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Mar 17 20:2121st Mar 17 20:19LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:01 pm  
TheArmChairRef wrote:
The rules are very clear you must put out your strongest team a 4 point deduction and a fine


Can you please provide a link to that or quote the relevant passage from the rule book? Thanks
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach3053No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 10 200420 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th May 17 01:5812th May 17 12:20LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Birthplace of Lord Sam
Signature
Dan Sarginson: "This is a fantastic opportunity for me to join the biggest name in the competition" 18/10/2013

Tony Clubb: "This is a new exciting chapter of my life signing for Wigan and I couldn't be happier" 18/10/2013

Romain Navarrete: “I’m very happy to have signed for Wigan Warriors. As soon I knew that Wigan were interested, they were the only team that I wanted to sign for. To me, Wigan is the biggest Club in Rugby League and it will be an honour to pull on the famous Cherry-and-White jersey next year. I look forward to working with Shaun Wane and the players at Wigan.”

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:06 pm  
DaveO wrote:
The trouble is even with a 19 man squad as we saw today you can still end up with a surprise selection and players such as Lockers dropped unexpectedly meaning the fans still feel short changed.



I agree with DaveO :shock:

How angry am I today? Exceedingly. I found out on Friday that Pat and Tommy were out, today I see three more first team players 'rested' and I spent over £120 in fuel and tickets to watch what was basically an under twenties game. I saw these guys for free at Aldershot last year playing against London.
As DaveO has said, I've been ripped off. Where's Wane's promise that he wants to win every game? What a joke. Yes there's a time and place for bringing the youngsters through, but IMHO Wane needs to admit he completely screwed up today.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach224No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 24 200718 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Oct 15 16:2528th Oct 15 16:00LINK
Milestone Posts
200
250
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
down by the riverside

Re: Disrespect : Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:16 pm  
i can't believe people on here basically saying 2 points don't matter in march, if that is the case we might as well stop going to matches until august/september. how come all of a sudden a game doesn't seem to matter at this stage of the season. does that mean if we lose to warrington and saints that won't matter either.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 225 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Wigan Warriors


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Film game
karetaker
5662
Recent
Ground Improvements
Trojan Horse
159
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40739
1m
Salford
Uncle Rico
18
1m
Shopping list for 2025
The games af
5579
1m
Dual Reg
financialtim
10
2m
Planning for next season
Leyther in n
178
2m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4029
2m
War of the Roses
sally cinnam
35
2m
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
2m
Fixtures 2025
Jake the Peg
69
3m
2025 Recruitment
dddooommm
199
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
poplar cats
12
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Trojan Horse
21
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
3
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Uncle Rico
18
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
49
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
892
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
566
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1294
England's Women Demolish The W..
1125
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1364
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1148
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1412
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1954
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2163
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2407
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1974
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2213
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2680
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2106
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2178
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Film game
karetaker
5662
Recent
Ground Improvements
Trojan Horse
159
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40739
1m
Salford
Uncle Rico
18
1m
Shopping list for 2025
The games af
5579
1m
Dual Reg
financialtim
10
2m
Planning for next season
Leyther in n
178
2m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4029
2m
War of the Roses
sally cinnam
35
2m
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
2m
Fixtures 2025
Jake the Peg
69
3m
2025 Recruitment
dddooommm
199
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
poplar cats
12
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Trojan Horse
21
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
3
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Uncle Rico
18
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
49
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
892
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
566
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1294
England's Women Demolish The W..
1125
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1364
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1148
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1412
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1954
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2163
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2407
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1974
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2213
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2680
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2106
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2178


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!