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Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:10 pm  
jinkin jimmy wrote:
Also, resting Bateman with SOL missing is a clear coaching error IMO.


When I read the 19 I commented that Bateman would likely come back in if Lockers didn't make it. Stunning that he didn't really considering that he'd had a two week rest anyway.

Bateman will be an interesting test of Wanes selection policy were he says he picks form players! He did it with Manfredi bringing him back for Charnley and Bateman should be the first back rower on the team sheet ahead of Tomkins, Faz and even Lockers.
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Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:05 pm  
Itchy Arsenal wrote:
Not sure how playing means that you can't put weight on?
Also he had just been off for two weeks so how much rest does a person need?
I sincerely hope you are correct and that once again I am wrong.


I was going off this

http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-7335210
Itchy Arsenal wrote:
Not sure how playing means that you can't put weight on?
Also he had just been off for two weeks so how much rest does a person need?
I sincerely hope you are correct and that once again I am wrong.


I was going off this

http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-7335210
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Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:07 pm  
What do people expect when Wigan's players are going to be hammered for being aggressive by Stevo et al. Flower puts a foot wrong and he will be summarily judged and shot. Imagine if he rather than Simms threw two punches on a prone player.

The contrast in the commentary between Wigan being beaten and St Helens from the same commentary team was obvious. Wigan's reasons were all bad, Saints apologetic. This constant bias has made players demon's in the eyes of many.

Hock, yes he's hot headed but not much different than Westwood in his aggression levels. Newton and McIllurum have both been constant berated while players like Chase and McGuire escape relatively lightly with little said. As for Long, can you imaging the outrage if it were a Wigan player betting against his own team.

The sooner we lose a bais in the commentary the better, many fans have a pop at Phil Clarke but on the whole he is balanced and sticks to the stats. Comments about rugby gods are held against him, in reality a dirty player committed a dirty bit of foul play and got injured. Many call that karma.

That said. There has been a feeling of disquiet at the club for a while. Inform feels like in Clique at times.
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McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.


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Re: Our "forwards" : Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:12 pm  
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What do people expect when Wigan's players are going to be hammered for being aggressive by Stevo et al. Flower puts a foot wrong and he will be summarily judged and shot. Imagine if he rather than Simms threw two punches on a prone player.

The contrast in the commentary between Wigan being beaten and St Helens from the same commentary team was obvious. Wigan's reasons were all bad, Saints apologetic. This constant bias has made players demon's in the eyes of many.

Hock, yes he's hot headed but not much different than Westwood in his aggression levels. Newton and McIllurum have both been constant berated while players like Chase and McGuire escape relatively lightly with little said. As for Long, can you imaging the outrage if it were a Wigan player betting against his own team.

The sooner we lose a bais in the commentary the better, many fans have a pop at Phil Clarke but on the whole he is balanced and sticks to the stats. Comments about rugby gods are held against him, in reality a dirty player committed a dirty bit of foul play and got injured. Many call that karma.

That said. There has been a feeling of disquiet at the club for a while. Inform feels like in Clique at times.


WOW :lol:
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Re: Our "forwards" : Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:25 am  
goobervision wrote:
What do people expect when Wigan's players are going to be hammered for being aggressive by Stevo et al. Flower puts a foot wrong and he will be summarily judged and shot. Imagine if he rather than Simms threw two punches on a prone player.

The contrast in the commentary between Wigan being beaten and St Helens from the same commentary team was obvious. Wigan's reasons were all bad, Saints apologetic. This constant bias has made players demon's in the eyes of many.

Hock, yes he's hot headed but not much different than Westwood in his aggression levels. Newton and McIllurum have both been constant berated while players like Chase and McGuire escape relatively lightly with little said. As for Long, can you imaging the outrage if it were a Wigan player betting against his own team.

The sooner we lose a bais in the commentary the better, many fans have a pop at Phil Clarke but on the whole he is balanced and sticks to the stats. Comments about rugby gods are held against him, in reality a dirty player committed a dirty bit of foul play and got injured. Many call that karma.

That said. There has been a feeling of disquiet at the club for a while. Inform feels like in Clique at times.


best laugh ive had in ages that :lol:
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Re: Our "forwards" : Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:31 am  
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best laugh ive had in ages that :lol:

What, compared to watching your lot this season?
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Re: Our "forwards" : Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:18 am  
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What, compared to watching your lot this season?


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Re: Our "forwards" : Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:42 pm  
Itchy Arsenal wrote:
Not sure how playing means that you can't put weight on?
Also he had just been off for two weeks so how much rest does a person need?
I sincerely hope you are correct and that once again I am wrong.


It's much much harder to gain strength when you're playing. If you put on weight without gaining strength, your relative strength to weight ratio is worse. This means that putting on weight could actually decrease performance. Not sure if this IS the reason Wane is using, but it logically makes sense.

It could also just be that playing matches burns a lot of calories. If Bateman is covering 7000 metres of ground in a match as well as making 20 carries and 40 tackles, that's a hell of a lot of additional food Bateman has to eat to gain weight.
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Re: Our "forwards" : Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:39 pm  
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It's much much harder to gain strength when you're playing. If you put on weight without gaining strength, your relative strength to weight ratio is worse. This means that putting on weight could actually decrease performance. Not sure if this IS the reason Wane is using, but it logically makes sense.

It could also just be that playing matches burns a lot of calories. If Bateman is covering 7000 metres of ground in a match as well as making 20 carries and 40 tackles, that's a hell of a lot of additional food Bateman has to eat to gain weight.

Thanks for the feedback and it does explain to a degree the rationale behind the statement.
I thought that they could have used pre season to carry out the physical build up of Bateman.
Always good to learn something new.
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Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:27 am  
Itchy Arsenal wrote:
Thanks for the feedback and it does explain to a degree the rationale behind the statement.
I thought that they could have used pre season to carry out the physical build up of Bateman.
Always good to learn something new.

I think it was Jonh on here who explained this in some depth a while ago. During pre-season the players will bulk up but they'll probably lose anything between 7lb-14lb during the season due to the aerobic nature of the sport.
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