Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:59 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

That's changed recently. 2 of the last 3 cup final winners have gone on to win the Grand Final.

Leeds may have on the GF, but they lost the 3 games after the cup final, if we both do that we wont finish top of the league.

Will certainly effect both teams and it's up to Wigan to take advantage and get a home semi, which will be key.

Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:10 pm  

sack Wane ? hes a great coach , wigan never thrown in the towel and are certainly the toughest team to beat week in week out, they are just poor in attack like most SL slubs , you cant win every year.

Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:19 pm  

doc999 wrote:

sack Wane ? hes a great coach , wigan never thrown in the towel

Fair enough getting beat 62-0 by Wakefield was understandable given the circumstances, but this year we definitely 'threw the towel in' against Brisbane (42-12) and Warrington away (40-10), last year we did against Castleford (42-14) and Catalans (58-16) away.

doc999 wrote:

and are certainly the toughest team to beat week in week out,

We defend well but no way are we consistently the toughest to beat. This stat is quite telling:
Times beaten by two scores (12 points) or more this season – Hull 1 Wire 1 Wigan 6

doc999 wrote:

they are just poor in attack like most SL slubs

We aren't just as poor in attack as most SL clubs though, they have all scored more points than us this year except one.

doc999 wrote:

, you cant win every year.

We certainly don't! Surely 4 out of 5 seasons ending in neither the CC nor the GF isn't enough.

Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:43 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Fair enough getting beat 62-0 by Wakefield was understandable given the circumstances, but this year we definitely 'threw the towel in' against Brisbane (42-12) and Warrington away (40-10), last year we did against Castleford (42-14) and Catalans (58-16) away.

We defend well but no way are we consistently the toughest to beat. This stat is quite telling:
Times beaten by two scores (12 points) or more this season – Hull 1 Wire 1 Wigan 6

We aren't just as poor in attack as most SL clubs though, they have all scored more points than us this year except one.

We certainly don't! Surely 4 out of 5 seasons ending in neither the CC nor the GF isn't enough.

you can always point out the odd figures but they dont tell the whole storey , they didnt need to throw in the towel against Brisbane as they where on another level , just like all 3 games that where played , nothing will change that, but thats an RFL problem not a Wigan problem.

anyone who reaches the grand final there worst opponent will be wigan , nobody will fancy there chance against them on the day, and if they do turn them over it will be an absolute workathon , nobody will want to play them because of the way Wane sets his team out as a forward dominated /teritory dominated game . Yes its pretty poor to watch.

I have seen a lot of games this season and Saints v Warrington was probably the most inept attacking football (by Saints) that I have ever seen at the top level , but none of the top SL teams seem to have much in terms of attack , the odd moments of great play but on the whole seriously poorly structured attacking football throughout , almost like we are playing like the Aussies did in the early 80s where it was all defence. In our results orientated sacking coaches , poor academies , short term thinking, anything to sign an aussie game it will always come down to the lowest common denominator of what it takes to win.

Personally I think wigan are just short of 2 quality half backs , they have some seriously good quality players.

Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:15 pm  

People keep saying we have a great squad... but do we, really? I don't see that our squad (on paper, putting form and tactics to one side for the moment) is better than, say, FC's.

You FC fans who are bigging us up: how many of your first team would you swap for the equivalent Wiganer? Not too many, I suspect.

Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:04 pm  

moto748 wrote:

People keep saying we have a great squad... but do we, really? I don't see that our squad (on paper, putting form and tactics to one side for the moment) is better than, say, FC's.

You FC fans who are bigging us up: how many of your first team would you swap for the equivalent Wiganer? Not too many, I suspect.

But that's the point of a squad, you're probably right about the first team, but when you start getting into the second string, I think this season has shown just how good we are. The big difference is, we've needed to use ours whereas Hull and others haven't to the same degree. With a full squad, the likes of Powell, Tierney, Gildart (or Sarge), Isa, Tautai, Mossop, Sutton, Shorrocks don't get in the 17, and I don't see other clubs with that sort of quality sat on the sidelines.

Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:59 pm  

Yes, Geoff, I agree with that too. Let's say a deep squad, rather than a great one.

Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:20 am  

moto748 wrote:

Yes, Geoff, I agree with that too. Let's say a deep squad, rather than a great one.

We don't have any great players, but we do have a shed load of distinctly average players. Which is good considering our injuries, it has allowed us to be consistently average and bland all season.

Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:55 am  

ChrisA wrote:

We don't have any great players, but we do have a shed load of distinctly average players. Which is good considering our injuries, it has allowed us to be consistently average and bland all season.

It's an interesting argument as to which is better. Having great players is...errrr....great, but in these salary cap days that means having below average players around them, and means over-reliance on the "greats" staying healthy. Leeds and Huddersfield would love to be as "average" as us right now, I suspect.

Re: If we win nothing AGAIN this year - Wane out? : Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:05 am  

Geoff wrote:

It's an interesting argument as to which is better. Having great players is...errrr....great, but in these salary cap days that means having below average players around them, and means over-reliance on the "greats" staying healthy. Leeds and Huddersfield would love to be as "average" as us right now, I suspect.

I know mate, it was tongue in cheek really, well 50/50. I feel we have an average squad with a good defensive coach who has proven over 18 months that he can't improve our attack, it's getting g worse if anyrhing, which makes him very average if you even it out, which reflects perfectly in our points difference.