Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 1:55 pm  

Salty wrote:

Sarginson didn’t drop the ball at the play the ball. The referee made a mistake and it resulted in Warrington’s first try!
He did make two mistakes but he also ran 60 metres to score a perfectly good try and worked hard throughout the game.
Gene miles, he ain’t, but there are about five in the team who are worse.

he lost control of the ball

Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 2:00 pm  

Pieman wrote:

he lost control of the ball

Even forgetting about the handling errors, his one to one tackle attempt on Atkins was a shocker and he did exactly the same against Saints in the first game of the season when Niqama went through him. It’s a real area of weakness for him.

Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 3:51 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Even forgetting about the handling errors, his one to one tackle attempt on Atkins was a shocker and he did exactly the same against Saints in the first game of the season when Niqama went through him. It’s a real area of weakness for him.

Catching, tackling and passing are his areas of weakness. Maybe he should consider playing some other sport, perhaps union?

Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 3:59 pm  

I think somebody mentioned Sarginson is probably out of position with his best position being full back and I’d fully agree with that. He was outstanding at the back end of 2016 in that role and it really suits him because of his work rate and it hides that poor sliding defence he seems to lapse in to now and again.

His issue is there’s no fullback role at Wigan for him and I’d say for a club like ours he has enough talent to be considered as a utility bench player or first back up at fullback or in the centres. In terms of squad balance I think we’d be better off without Escare for 2020 and use his money to bring in a centre, with Sarginson then backing up but that’s ideal world stuff.

Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 4:09 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I think somebody mentioned Sarginson is probably out of position with his best position being full back and I’d fully agree with that. He was outstanding at the back end of 2016 in that role and it really suits him because of his work rate and it hides that poor sliding defence he seems to lapse in to now and again.

His issue is there’s no fullback role at Wigan for him and I’d say for a club like ours he has enough talent to be considered as a utility bench player or first back up at fullback or in the centres. In terms of squad balance I think we’d be better off without Escare for 2020 and use his money to bring in a centre, with Sarginson then backing up but that’s ideal world stuff.

Lam I think would have offloaded Escare this season if the club could have found a new club for him. At he moment I'd consider Escare the biggest "waste of salary cap" at the club.

Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 4:14 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

Lam I think would have offloaded Escare this season if the club could have found a new club for him. At he moment I'd consider Escare the biggest "waste of salary cap" at the club.

It looks that way. We can’t afford to carry two fullbacks in the squad when you have a guy like Sarginson who could offer back up in the role. I guess it may be down to his off the field incident but I’ve been surprised to see no game time whatsoever for Craig Mullen either. He’s another that could fill in.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens with guys like Escare and Sarginson going forward as well as the wing situation. The squad looks unbalanced at the moment.

Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 4:23 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

It looks that way. We can’t afford to carry two fullbacks in the squad when you have a guy like Sarginson who could offer back up in the role. I guess it may be down to his off the field incident but I’ve been surprised to see no game time whatsoever for Craig Mullen either. He’s another that could fill in.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens with guys like Escare and Sarginson going forward as well as the wing situation. The squad looks unbalanced at the moment.

The squad as you say is unbalanced I don’t think Escare has a long term future at Wigan nor Mullen it wouldn’t surprise me if Sarge got an contract though

Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 4:33 pm  

hengirl wrote:

The squad as you say is unbalanced I don’t think Escare has a long term future at Wigan nor Mullen it wouldn’t surprise me if Sarge got an contract though

On the right terms for Wigan I hope we keep Sarginson. We need to look at the centre spot in the longer term but short term we have bigger fish to fry. We need a rebuild in the front row and we’ll need a very good replacement for Williams. If we sort those areas and they can move players on to accommodate a new centre then great but with our current props and minus Williams, we’ll be lucky to get any higher then our current 8th position come 2020.

Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 5:18 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

It looks that way. We can’t afford to carry two fullbacks in the squad when you have a guy like Sarginson who could offer back up in the role. I guess it may be down to his off the field incident but I’ve been surprised to see no game time whatsoever for Craig Mullen either. He’s another that could fill in.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with guys like Escare and Sarginson going forward as well as the wing situation. The squad looks unbalanced at the moment.

Lam just doesn't rate Escare at his current salary.
The problem that I have with him is that he doesn't have a natural position. Another Jack of all, trades and master of none.

Re: Navarette : Mon May 13, 2019 6:53 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

Lam just doesn't rate Escare at his current salary.
The problem that I have with him is that he doesn't have a natural position. Another Jack of all, trades and master of none.

This is probably a hang over of Wanes edges, middles and pivots that makes me sick to the stomach every time I hear it. Alls it does it completely dumbs down the positions so that it’s 26 players bashing each other all game with no flair, guile or finesse.

It took 100 years to sort out what positions were needed on a field and what those positions did, only for us to narrow it down to just 3 positions. Like you say, that’s our problem, we have too many players playing out of position. I’m not going as far as to distinguish between open side and blind side prop but at least sign props and second rowers rather than just ‘middles’ and we will improve.