: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:01 pm  

People aren't saying you are a bad coach if you don't win things they are saying Noble is a good coach because he has won things. Basically facts can't back up the arguements of the anti-Noble brigade.

How can you judge him by saying the Bradford team was good before him but bad once he left. The time to judge a coach is when he is there not before or after. The way I see it is Bradford were good with Nobby in charge, he left and they are worse now someone else is in charge. That does not mean he is bad it means he is good and McNamara is bad, especially as he has made Wigan better than they were before he took over, which is according to some the only way to judge a coach.

Re: Nobby doubters : Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:08 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

I really AM tired now and am loathe to post.

However, you make it so easy for me.


Coaches are judged on 1 thing. RESULTS.


To suggest otherwise is in the best case naiive.

No coaches are judged wrongly purely on results by uneducated fans, chairmen, media. Get a group of coaches / players / educted RL fans to tell you how to judge coaches properly and they will use the 2 factors that I gave you.

When you judge coaches purely on results it is wrong. It gives rise to annual sackings and instability. However, if you want to judge coaches by results then please explain why Noble is still here because if you use results as a measure then Davo O has shown That Noble is taking Wigan RL backwards. You cannot have it both ways. If you want to go the results route then you have to accept Dave O's analysis.

I look deeper than that but clearly;

IL had major issues with the playing side in 2008
The fans had major issues with the playing side in 2008
A section of Wiganers became ex fans, not attending games in 2008

You say results? Why was Brian Smith not sacked by Newcastle, why was Neil Henry not sacked by Canberra and actually chased by other clubs?

We have had stability and yet we are going backwards. So what has stability achieved at Wigan RLFC? I believe in stability personally so something must be wrong?

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:10 pm  

Come on pro Noble people

Explain how Noble has made Wigan RL better? In detail and reasoned.

Re: Nobby doubters : Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:13 pm  

Charlie Seeling wrote:

No coaches are judged wrongly purely on results by uneducated fans, chairmen, media. Get a group of coaches / players / educted RL fans to tell you how to judge coaches properly and they will use the 2 factors that I gave you.

When you judge coaches purely on results it is wrong. It gives rise to annual sackings and instability. However, if you want to judge coaches by results then please explain why Noble is still here because if you use results as a measure then Davo O has shown That Noble is taking Wigan RL backwards. You cannot have it both ways. If you want to go the results route then you have to accept Dave O's analysis.

I look deeper than that but clearly;

IL had major issues with the playing side in 2008
The fans had major issues with the playing side in 2008
A section of Wiganers became ex fans, not attending games in 2008

You say results? Why was Brian Smith not sacked by Newcastle, why was Neil Henry not sacked by Canberra and actually chased by other clubs?

We have had stability and yet we are going backwards. So what has stability achieved at Wigan RLFC? I believe in stability personally so something must be wrong?

You mean the ONLY people that matter in judging a coach? Wake up.

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:17 pm  

He took over a poorly balanced squad who were bottom of the league, then we finished third 3 years running with players he didn't want who were still under contract.

One other thing to note about Brian Nobles man management is that he is always positive...something you wouldn't understand.

Re: Nobby doubters : Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:19 pm  

Charlie Seeling wrote:

No coaches are judged wrongly purely on results by uneducated fans

Thank god for that.

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:22 pm  

NickNJ wrote:

He took over a poorly balanced squad who were bottom of the league, then we finished third 3 years running with players he didn't want who were still under contract.

One other thing to note about Brian Nobles man management is that he is always positive...something you wouldn't understand.

Exactly, and I would add that it was a squad that didn't fit Nobby's "Style" of playing.

Re: Nobby doubters : Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:31 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

You mean the ONLY people that matter in judging a coach? Wake up.

You are funny

Ask any coach is he wants to be judged by chairmen

We are talking about real evaluation / real judgement here

: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:31 pm  

I thought you were tired BTW

Re: Nobby doubters : Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:32 pm  

NickNJ wrote:

Thank god for that.

Heaven helps us. What a ridiculous statement.