Re: rl : Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:45 pm  

[Gareth] wrote:

its just a case of being sensible with the money

That's an excellent point...The problem with spending money on transfer fees nowadays is that it is, 99% of the time, dead money with no return on it.

Fielden, for example, will not command any type of fee when he goes on his way, unlike in the old days where clubs would at least try to recoup some money on a player.

I suppose it actually makes the transfer market an even trickier place nowadays....Using the Gleeson deal as an example, I'm guessing Wigan would have to have carried out a big costing plan, weighing up the pro's and con's of signing a player who potentially could hammer a big hole in your finances, not just now, but in the future.

Re: rl : Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:48 pm  

The Angry Pirate wrote:

That's an excellent point...The problem with spending money on transfer fees nowadays is that it is, 99% of the time, dead money with no return on it.

Fielden, for example, will not command any type of fee when he goes on his way, unlike in the old days where clubs would at least try to recoup some money on a player.

I suppose it actually makes the transfer market an even trickier place nowadays....Using the Gleeson deal as an example, I'm guessing Wigan would have to have carried out a big costing plan, weighing up the pro's and con's of signing a player who potentially could hammer a big hole in your finances, not just now, but in the future.

fielden is a good example of a player who, at the time, was well worth the transfer fee we paid. problem is, he hasnt lived up to that fee (for whatever reason) and in a lot of peoples eyes will be seen as a failure at wigan

the £100k for gleeson, if it came from IL pocket, is chump change to him. however, it would have taken some fancy accounting if it came out the clubs coffers

Re: rl : Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:00 pm  

[Gareth] wrote:

the £100k for gleeson, if it came from IL pocket, is chump change to him. however, it would have taken some fancy accounting if it came out the clubs coffers

To be fair to your accounting team, they wouldn't be the first to play around with figures...

I think the Warrington/Andrew Johns deal was basically a Simon Moran- sponsored plaything, with plenty of 'hidden' strings.... ....I'm guessing the Johns' deal was the forerunner for the recent changing of the tax rules concerning overseas players...

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:23 pm  

Does anybody think we've actually signed players but have yet to announce it, or are we going down that slippery slope of being left with scraping the bottom of the barrel. Surely we've got to strike soon everybody's being snapped up left right and centre and it's time to get the chequebook out and make some decisions.
I'm not calling for rash decisions but like Lenegan says we've had plays earmarked for a while and if he's now met them and isn't satisfied with what he sees surely the club has a plan B.

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:37 pm  

Some interesting points about signings and money.

I for one would sooner have IL to be sensible with the spending and only splash the cash when the perfect deal comes along.

To spend big on the right player/player will be far more worthwhile then spending the same amount and several 'average' average players who add squad size but very little else to our team.

At this stage I truly believe we are only 3 players away from being a team who can realistically challenge for the league. So offloading more players for less coming in isn't a bad thing, as long as we recruit strongly in key areas.

Backing up this point I would seriously sooner see IL come back empty handed than spend the CAP on someone who, to be honest, isn't good enough for what we want to achieve, hold on to the CAP and spend wisely.

I truly believe structure and a long partnership in the halves is not what we need, not a 'quick 2yr fix' as we'd be getting with Orford.
Stability in the halves is needed, and our lack of stability in this key area has reflected on our performances.

For one I think loosing what stability we had in the halves (losing Barrett) caused a massive hangover which resulted in poor displays of attack.

Despite the fact that overall I think Orford is a good 7, I think it's short sighted without a long term back-up plan.

I wouldn't have this issue with aging props, but the halves is clearly different.

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:39 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

Does anybody think we've actually signed players but have yet to announce it, or are we going down that slippery slope of being left with scraping the bottom of the barrel. Surely we've got to strike soon everybody's being snapped up left right and centre and it's time to get the chequebook out and make some decisions.
I'm not calling for rash decisions but like Lenegan says we've had plays earmarked for a while and if he's now met them and isn't satisfied with what he sees surely the club has a plan B.

Just a case of seeing who's available and on what deal.

I'm pleased IL is being strict with his signings. This way when we do make a signing it'll be a well thought out move that will truly benefit our team.

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:44 pm  

With Brian Noble's future still being unclear, who exactly is in charge of your recruitment??

Fair enough if its Lenegan, I guess its his money to do with as he wants, but you only have to look at Wire as an example of what can happen if you allow a 'supporter' loose with his chequebook....Its took Simon Moran quite a while to finally realise that you need somebody with a Rugby brain to sort out your squad...

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:48 pm  

The Angry Pirate wrote:

With Brian Noble's future still being unclear, who exactly is in charge of your recruitment??

Fair enough if its Lenegan, I guess its his money to do with as he wants, but you only have to look at Wire as an example of what can happen if you allow a 'supporter' loose with his chequebook....Its took Simon Moran quite a while to finally realise that you need somebody with a Rugby brain to sort out your squad...

IL's seems to be cautious with his chq book and the CAP, for this reason I'm unconsidered about him making rash signings.

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:57 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

IL's seems to be cautious with his chq book and the CAP, for this reason I'm unconsidered about him making rash signings.

Ok, he won't make rash signings, but does he have the know-how to make the RIGHT signings??....

In this era of the salary cap, its even more vital to get recruitment correct....I think its fair to say that a number of clubs, Wigan & Wire included, are just 1 or 2 signings from having the right blend for success....For this reason, I'd make sure your future coach is being given adequate input to what is needed.

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:00 pm  

The Angry Pirate wrote:

Ok, he won't make rash signings, but does he have the know-how to make the RIGHT signings??....

In this era of the salary cap, its even more vital to get recruitment correct....I think its fair to say that a number of clubs, Wigan & Wire included, are just 1 or 2 signings from having the right blend for success....For this reason, I'd make sure your future coach is being given adequate input to what is needed.

Obviously.