Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:50 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Utterly dominant from us last night. Taking our foot off the gas for the last 20 was disappointing though as we could’ve scored 50.

Welsby was outstanding. I love it how he gives it to the Wigan fans. For a Wigan lad and a Wigan fan as a kid he absolutely despises them now and it’s great to see. Same with Makinson in many ways. Not sure what that sex offender song from the Wigan fans was all about. They give him loads and he gives it back.

I’m really pleased that we seem to (in Wellens words) have simplified our game and gone back to basics. We must be the easiest team to coach with the intensity we play at and the structures we have. The last two weeks we have looked back to our best.

I’ve said before that Woolfs team didn’t need much tweaking yet Wellens seemed set on putting his own stamp on the team and it wasn’t working earlier in the season although to be fair we had injuries and suspensions then.

Huge game for Wigan next week. Massive.

A decent effort from your lads and the team to beat without question.
Welsby is decent player but every game makes mistakes. I like maverick but not a smart arris. His time will come.
Next week is huge for you too unless you think Hull is a walkover. I think you’ll win but if you turn up just expecting a win you never know. Is the CC now a sideshow? Maybe it is.
Enjoy the win but say take Lomax out your starting 13 would you still be as bullish?
Interesting times.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:50 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Utterly dominant from us last night. Taking our foot off the gas for the last 20 was disappointing though as we could’ve scored 50.

Welsby was outstanding. I love it how he gives it to the Wigan fans. For a Wigan lad and a Wigan fan as a kid he absolutely despises them now and it’s great to see. Same with Makinson in many ways. Not sure what that sex offender song from the Wigan fans was all about. They give him loads and he gives it back.

I’m really pleased that we seem to (in Wellens words) have simplified our game and gone back to basics. We must be the easiest team to coach with the intensity we play at and the structures we have. The last two weeks we have looked back to our best.

I’ve said before that Woolfs team didn’t need much tweaking yet Wellens seemed set on putting his own stamp on the team and it wasn’t working earlier in the season although to be fair we had injuries and suspensions then.

Huge game for Wigan next week. Massive.

A decent effort from your lads and the team to beat without question.
Welsby is decent player but every game makes mistakes. I like maverick but not a smart arris. His time will come.
Next week is huge for you too unless you think Hull is a walkover. I think you’ll win but if you turn up just expecting a win you never know. Is the CC now a sideshow? Maybe it is.
Enjoy the win but say take Lomax out your starting 13 would you still be as bullish?
Interesting times.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:32 am  

Stu M wrote:

. Same with Makinson in many ways. Not sure what that sex offender song from the Wigan fans was all about.

Huge game for Wigan next week. Massive.

Not sure what the sex offender song is about myself and it is unacceptable. Maybe as unacceptable as the the crap Saints fans sing when they chant " you're interbred you Wigan scum". Or does that not register on your scale of Piousness.
I also like how you finish with the comment of it being a " Huge game" for Wigan next week. As though a quarter final of the cup is only on a small scale to a club as illustrious as yourselves.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Jun 11, 2023 1:23 am  

I wouldn't bother with Stu guys. He's finally shown his true colours. I'm just surprised at myself that I got taken in by him for so long. Typical Redvee dick and nothing more. Fancy a grown man revelling in a twentysomething manchild "despising" other human beings because they support another team. Classy. Very classy.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Jun 11, 2023 1:29 am  

Stu M wrote:

I meant directly after the game when emotions are running high. I’ve waited 24 hours to post. I’m also posting on a Wigan v Saints discussion thread so I’ve hardly derailed a thread.

I’ve tried to give my opinion on Wigan before and have been told metaphorically to shove it hence posting comments about my own team.

I thought the idea of discussion forums was to hear the opinions of other fans? I welcome Rogues Gallery posting on Red Vee even if by his own admission he is occasionally on the wind up.

I’ve a lot of respect for Wigan. One of my best mates is professionally involved there however I’ve got to be honest those sex offender songs last night and the behaviour of some Wigan fans has got me annoyed. Hence my venom in my last post.

I’ll gladly walk away if people don’t want to discuss RL with non-Wigan fans. Not a problem

Ok, you utter fraud, walk away. I bet you don't!

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Jun 11, 2023 3:03 am  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

A decent effort from your lads and the team to beat without question.
Welsby is decent player but every game makes mistakes. I like maverick but not a smart arris. His time will come.
Next week is huge for you too unless you think Hull is a walkover. I think you’ll win but if you turn up just expecting a win you never know. Is the CC now a sideshow? Maybe it is.
Enjoy the win but say take Lomax out your starting 13 would you still be as bullish?
Interesting times.

Easy to forget Welsby is still only 22; still plenty of development in his game and he knows that. Given Wigan fans saw the rise of Tomkins (the talented one not the other two) I’d have thought Wigan fans would have understood that maverick and smart arris are the different sides of the same coin, depending on the colour of your shirt. Like him or loath him his time is now; he’s top of the try assist charts, becoming ever increasingly senior in the Saints squad and his personal highlights reel is basically complete already, scoring down under in the WCC, at Wembley and the match winner in the 2020 GF.

Obviously being in the hunt for a historic quadruple makes next week huge for us, but it’s the trophy of least concern for me. Given how congested the league is at the moment I don’t think the usual “just get top two; get the home semi and plan from there” is going to work; it’s going to take a run of performances and most likely finish top. We have both an advantage and a hinderance at the moment with the game in hand. If us being knocked out the cup gets the game arranged as not a midweek dirge, then that’s a small silver cloud.

We won the GF last year with long term injuries to Grace, Dodd and Walmsley. The year before it was Fages and Bentley. If we lose Lomax, of course it’s a blow, but we adjust every year, and it’s far more about combinations of injuries which become a concern. Last year ahead of the CC semi we lost Hopoate, Bennison, Dodd and Lomax’s left arm all in rapid succession. The spine was our weakest depth already and we ended up with Davies in the halves and having to hide Lomax at fullback so he avoided contact on his arm. Still took a poor individual performance from a kid on the wing and a rogue one armed pass from Lomax for us to lose that day. Fast forward and we beat Warrington with basically our first choice pack and backline missing. Attitude is everything at Saints this year and we should be confident if Wellens gets that right (that I am less convinced on…) irrespective of who is or isn’t on the field

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Jun 11, 2023 5:36 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Easy to forget Welsby is still only 22; still plenty of development in his game and he knows that. Given Wigan fans saw the rise of Tomkins (the talented one not the other two) I’d have thought Wigan fans would have understood that maverick and smart arris are the different sides of the same coin, depending on the colour of your shirt. Like him or loath him his time is now; he’s top of the try assist charts, becoming ever increasingly senior in the Saints squad and his personal highlights reel is basically complete already, scoring down under in the WCC, at Wembley and the match winner in the 2020 GF.

Obviously being in the hunt for a historic quadruple makes next week huge for us, but it’s the trophy of least concern for me. Given how congested the league is at the moment I don’t think the usual “just get top two; get the home semi and plan from there” is going to work; it’s going to take a run of performances and most likely finish top. We have both an advantage and a hinderance at the moment with the game in hand. If us being knocked out the cup gets the game arranged as not a midweek dirge, then that’s a small silver cloud.

We won the GF last year with long term injuries to Grace, Dodd and Walmsley. The year before it was Fages and Bentley. If we lose Lomax, of course it’s a blow, but we adjust every year, and it’s far more about combinations of injuries which become a concern. Last year ahead of the CC semi we lost Hopoate, Bennison, Dodd and Lomax’s left arm all in rapid succession. The spine was our weakest depth already and we ended up with Davies in the halves and having to hide Lomax at fullback so he avoided contact on his arm. Still took a poor individual performance from a kid on the wing and a rogue one armed pass from Lomax for us to lose that day. Fast forward and we beat Warrington with basically our first choice pack and backline missing. Attitude is everything at Saints this year and we should be confident if Wellens gets that right (that I am less convinced on…) irrespective of who is or isn’t on the field

Have you took over the role from Stu explaining why Saints are the goat re-all the injuries you get especially the one with Lomax losing his left arm.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:15 am  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

A decent effort from your lads and the team to beat without question.
Welsby is decent player but every game makes mistakes. I like maverick but not a smart arris. His time will come.
Next week is huge for you too unless you think Hull is a walkover. I think you’ll win but if you turn up just expecting a win you never know. Is the CC now a sideshow? Maybe it is.
Enjoy the win but say take Lomax out your starting 13 would you still be as bullish?
Interesting times.

He certainly does make mistakes. I don’t even think he should play FB, he’s poor defensively especially positionally. Wigan know that which is why their two kicks came off although granted he slipped for one of them.

He’s a 6 all day long for me. He’s also still only 22 and has the mentality not to go into a shell if he makes mistakes and he’ll come back better. Friday being a case in his point after his slip.

I meant it’s more of a big game for you because you’re on the back of 2 big losses and nearly 80 points conceded. I’ve said on this very forum that Peet is extremely hard to dislike but watching his interview after the game it’s the first time he looked a bit rattled. His answers were short and tetchy so I think he’s feeling it a bit.

Personally I think the 5 in a row is our biggest target. I’d love a CC win as well but given we lost 5 in a row then to win 5 in a row would put that all to bed.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:21 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

I wouldn't bother with Stu guys. He's finally shown his true colours. I'm just surprised at myself that I got taken in by him for so long. Typical Redvee dick and nothing more. Fancy a grown man revelling in a twentysomething manchild "despising" other human beings because they support another team. Classy. Very classy.

I think you’re the type of bloke who loves to dish it out but can’t take it back. The type that revelled in Smith and Smithies rubbing Welsby’s head and screaming in his face last year but then gets annoyed because Welsby goads the Wigan fans after they taunt him all game. Throwing beer onto the Saints players for celebrating tries was very classy from your fans. Some kids hit with pint pots too but let’s blame Welsby eh.

I didn’t have a problem with Tomkins giving it to us in his Wigan days. He was a class act, took it and dished it out. Remember the V signs? Didn’t bother me in the slightest.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:32 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Easy to forget Welsby is still only 22; still plenty of development in his game and he knows that. Given Wigan fans saw the rise of Tomkins (the talented one not the other two) I’d have thought Wigan fans would have understood that maverick and smart arris are the different sides of the same coin, depending on the colour of your shirt. Like him or loath him his time is now; he’s top of the try assist charts, becoming ever increasingly senior in the Saints squad and his personal highlights reel is basically complete already, scoring down under in the WCC, at Wembley and the match winner in the 2020 GF.

He shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence as Sam Tomkins. He’s a good player and could be a very good one but Tomkins was smashing out numbers Welsby could only dream of at 21/22. He put 25+ try’s and 25+ assists on the board on a regular basis.

Being a bit of a nob at times is probably the closest comparison on an individual basis.