sam tomkins and noble : Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:48 pm  

in light of our recent performances ive been reading this board again on a daily basis - ive not been doing this for the last 2 or 3 seasons

think its worth for his and our sake to first of all caution against the sam tomkins hype thats taking over. do any of us realistically know he will be amazing? i hope he is, i really do but all this talk is building one hell of an expectation on the lad. he could turn out to be the next edwards or something but i just hope we dont build him up and knock him down in a luke rob/kevin brown way - both of whom were the local lad solution to our lack of creativity at times.

the other one is noble and the way fans have turned on him very quickly. i personally still thinkhe is decent enough and has done a decent job at the club as a whole. he doesnt have final say over transfer policy and this must be remembered when ripping into the ins and outs at the club. i agree aspects of our game are unacceptably poor at the minute but i struggle to see how an ellery hanley type character would do any better. if talk of losing the dressing room is proved to be correct then for the sake of the club then he should go, but tbh i am 100% laying the blame at the players door thus far. you dont really mind losing if its done with passion.

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:56 pm  

The longer he waits to give Sam a game, the more people will talk about it and maybe the more pressure on him to produce, especially if he is 26 by the time he makes his debut.
I say give him a game. If he performs...great. If he doesn't...so what. Drop him for a while. Simple.

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:07 pm  

Salty wrote:

The longer he waits to give Sam a game, the more people will talk about it and maybe the more pressure on him to produce, especially if he is 26 by the time he makes his debut.
I say give him a game. If he performs...great. If he doesn't...so what. Drop him for a while. Simple.

He could easily get a game or two at wakie with our top 4 half backs all injured. his name had been thrown round and suggested by fans as someoe who could do a job in the short term and benifit both clubs in the grand scheme; ala Dave Halley and Braford.
Do you think BN or whoever has the final say on transfers would let him out on loan?

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:17 pm  

I say give him a try, he is 20 years old so he is not exactly a kid is he?.

We will never know if Sam is up for the job unless he is given a chance.

I would blood him in from the bench and let him on later in the game and see how he goes, but do not expect miracles straight away

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:25 pm  

i saw sam play in last seasons last game at sts hell and he played eastmond of the pitch give the lad ago

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:28 pm  

Sandal Wild Cat wrote:

He could easily get a game or two at wakie with our top 4 half backs all injured. his name had been thrown round and suggested by fans as someoe who could do a job in the short term and benifit both clubs in the grand scheme; ala Dave Halley and Braford.
Do you think BN or whoever has the final say on transfers would let him out on loan?

I'd rather blood him here but if we continue to omit him from the squad then trinity with a 24hr recall is a good bet.

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:35 pm  

Noble talks about not rushing him but he's taking the p*ss at the minute with him. If he's not in the side on Saturday i really do despair!

This is what gets to me about rugby league in this country. If we have a young lad who's obviously a class act everyone is nervous about rushing them but they aren't going to learn and improve by sitting in our sub standard reserve comp. Lets get them in the first teams and let them learn on the job. If they start to look jaded then take them out of the fire for a couple of weeks and let them rest.

When GB were half decent(yet still losing) back in the 80's and early 90's clubs didn't seem to have as much of a problem with putting the youngsters in.

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:43 pm  

Would you be happy with Sam, Ainscough, Goulding and Smith all in the backline on Saturday?

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:47 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Would you be happy with Sam, Ainscough, Goulding and Smith all in the backline on Saturday?

I would.. thats wigans future apart from Smith lets get the ball rolling and give Tomkins and Ainscough the starting spots.

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:13 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Would you be happy with Sam, Ainscough, Goulding and Smith all in the backline on Saturday?

Would you not be?

With the way we are playing atm, I would rather play all our players who have come through the academy plus feka and pat and carmont as I do believe that would be a better side.